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    Which Brand Should GM Save?

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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Chevrolet. Pontiac's image has been too raped by the corporate machine, despite that very image being everything the majority of Americans love: Power, Style, Speed. Yet there is good old Chevy. Maker of the El Camino, producer of the Silverado. They are, if anything, the most American of the American automakers and thus are most worthy of saving.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Chevrolet, Cadillac, Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile, Saturn, GMC.


    In that order. Buick's only important because of China; Oldsmobile could have taken its place, and Pontiac's, here in the States.


    The top two are the only ones that actually matter in the long term for GM's survival, though.

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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Pontiac!


    Pontiac, Pontiac, Bo Bontiac

    Banana-fanna, Fo Fontiac

    Fee, Fy, Mo Montiac


    Buick!

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    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    And do what with it?
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    Image of Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it Bentoboxx, My Tank is full of it
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    I say bring back Elmore! They haven't been huge since 1909, but they are prime for a comeback!
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    Image of jcd302 jcd302
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Chevrolet cars & trucks

    Buick for the middle

    Cadillac for the high end


    Just like Ford, Mercury, Lincoln

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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    06/16/09

    @jcd302: Maybe that wasn't the best example, considering that Mercury has totally lost all semblance of brand identity.
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    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Chevy at as the standard mass-market brand.

    Caddy at the high end.

    ONE B-O-P brand in the middle. and Buick's as good as Pontiac, probably better, because Buick is probably the more versatile name. A luxury Pontiac is sillier than a sporty Buick. I could totally see the G8 becoming a new Buick GranSport. Buick without a sporty car offering is just a flacid Cadillac for oldsters. Even with just one, it becomes a well-rounded "step up" line with both sporty and luxury aspirations. Pontiac lost the plot about the time the TransSport came out. After two decades of making silly white plastic cladding the "brand identity," Pontiac is a punchline, not a brand.
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    Image of tonyola tonyola
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    The Buick name needs to be saved for cars one or two notches above Chevy. The Cadillac name should be kept strictly for luxury cars - don't cheapen the name by offering medium price models. Offer only three Buick models - the new Lacrosse, a largish sedan (call it the LeSabre) and a luxury crossover (Enclave). Maybe GM could arrange its dealer network as follows:


    Chevy-Chevy Truck-Buick

    Cadillac-Buick-GMC


    Also, a Pontiac Firebird based on the Camaro is a good idea - put it in the Caddy-Buick dealers.

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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    06/16/09

    @tonyola: Or better yet, axe Buick and bring back LaSalle.
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    Image of Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm Tiberiuswise is all ate up with sarcasm
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    I'd like to see them save Chevy. Think they can pull that one off?
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    06/16/09

    @Tiberiuswise: Odds out of Vegas are running about 2:1* against.


    {*Not actual Vegas book}

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    Image of Dive-Bar-Drunk Dive-Bar-Drunk
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    I never understood why Oldsmobile was given the axe instead of Buick. Historically, there are more great oldsmobiles then buicks, and as far as modern day cars go, both Olds and buick were only appealing to 85 year old golfers.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    06/16/09

    @Dive-Bar-Drunk: What about Linda Vaughn and her Hurst/Buick?


    Wait, what? Really? Nevermind.

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    Image of so1337 so1337
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Let them all burn!


    Cut GM off from credit and bailout money, so GM will liquidate everything it owns.

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    06/16/09

    @so1337: Troll fail.
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    Image of jdoubleh jdoubleh
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Perhaps GM should pull a Nissan and revert Pontiac to the Oakland brand name.


    [wiki.gmnext.com]

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    Image of jdoubleh jdoubleh
    06/16/09

    @jdoubleh has a back seat full of trophies:

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    06/16/09

    @jdoubleh has a back seat full of trophies:

    Yeah, there you go.


    Take a Pontiac G6 and rename it the Oakland Raider. Not only does is it an uncompetitive pile of suck, it also takes your money and disappears!


    When you absolutely must have the ultimate symbol of automotive and sports-related irony.

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    Image of P161911 probably shoudn't have P161911 probably shoudn't have
    06/16/09

    @jdoubleh has a back seat full of trophies: Viking! [en.wikipedia.org]
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    Image of Hello Mister Walrus Hello Mister Walrus
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Isn't this a moot point? Besides, the kind of people who post on a site called CarGurus are only a tiny fraction of GM's client base.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    06/16/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus: The same can be said about Jalopnik.


    Moot point or no, it's still fun to talk and bitch about.

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    Image of jdoubleh jdoubleh
    06/16/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus: That site does have a really cool little flash widget called Car IQ which you can add to iGoogle, facebook, etc. Tests your knowledge of car makes and models.


    [www.cargurus.com]

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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    06/16/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus: Better yet, ask the people over at TTAC.
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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    06/16/09

    @jdoubleh has a back seat full of trophies: It's a little too easy. At least until you getr to model years.
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    Image of jdoubleh jdoubleh
    06/16/09

    @Ambiguously Unfunny Syrax: The model years are where I bog down, and prevent me from getting much higher than 150. Some of the non-US stuff stumps me pretty good, though I can usually get the make. Interestingly though I discovered that I can't tell most modern Aston Martins apart. I also discovered that I don't care.
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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    06/16/09

    @jdoubleh has a back seat full of trophies: The Vanquish is the nice old one, the DB9 is the nice new one and the Vantage is the stumpy. Easy!
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    Image of Saboth Saboth
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    I saw a nice looking car the other day, and said to myself "what is that?", and was surprised to see a "Pontiac G6" on the back. After years and years of ugly Pontiac Grand Prix, Grand Am, etc, it was nice to see them finally change their styling to something good looking. Too bad it was too late.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    06/16/09

    @Saboth: And too bad the car itself was crappy. It's a great platform, as evidenced by the new Malibu, but it's almost like the G6 was their prototype that they were too lazy to develop any further, and so they just threw it out there without a whole lot of engineering refinement.
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    Image of mikedrawcar mikedrawcar
    06/16/09

    @pauljones: in a sense, that's exactly what it was. The G6 was Malibu prototype 1, the Aura was #2, and then the Malibu finally came.


    Contrary to popular opinion, I actually like the G6 coupe and convertible.

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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    06/16/09

    @mikedrawcar: I must say, a friend bought a black G6 coupe a couple years ago. It is a rather good-looking car, inside and out.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    06/16/09

    In reply to Which Brand Should GM Save?
    Oldsmobile.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    06/16/09

    @pauljones: +1,000,000
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