@MadNachos: While I agree with you in principle, if I was armed with a pistol in that situation, I'd be very careful about using it. You know, being outnumbered by better armed guys with grenades and all. Better a live coward than a dead hero and all that.
Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. was starred
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So 19 guys get on some planes, we get a huge bureaucracy, and two hour lines at the Airport. 10 guys get out of a boat, and you're gonna' have to show I.D. to get into a Starbucks (not that I would ever go to one). What's going to happen when 3 guys get out of whatever is produced by a GM/Chrysler/Ford merger?
@JDisnidiet: Sometimes people write in shorthand leaving out bits that seem obvious. And some just have a tenuous grasp on reality.
Let's say you want to get a bunch of laissez-faire democracies to do something about Islamic Fundamentalists (Islamofascist in today's parlance, because that makes it easier to connect to the Nazis, and that is the most potent allergen in provoking mass political responses) who are causing trouble in your neighborhood.
Unfortunately, these democracies just seem not to be doing enough to suite you. They have this 'live and let live' attitude, and a tradition of personal freedoms, which makes them inconvenient to control. But these Islamofascists which are infesting the neighborhood are a bit beyond your own capacities to exterminate, so you need a bigger hammer.
It might be a neat trick, to poke a stick in the anthill, and arouse these lazy democracies, with an attack in their backyard, which would get blamed on the Islamofascists, thus recruiting those lazy SOB's to you cause, and giving you that big hammer you needed.
You might try flying an airplane into a building. That would work. Or even a nice little guerilla raid on a wateringhole of the rich and famous. People would get pissed. They would over react. And when they pulled the trigger on the inevitable barfight, you would be there with a butter-wouldn't-melt-in-my-mouth expression to condemn everthing. And shake your head sadly.
Heck, it might even be a better trick, to invent some figurehead Islamofascist terrorist, who could be your mouthpiece to justify all the changes you might want in these democracies, so you could control them better. What an idea... oh, wait...
We'll talk later, there's someone calling on the phone..
@JDisnidiet: Occam's razor suggests that that hypothesis which is simplest, is the one most likely to be correct. I here use a similar principle. In contemporary governmental affairs, if one looks at who benefits most from a series of events, it is very likely that that series of events was orchestrated, directly or indirectly, by those who eventually are found to reap the benefit. Similarly, until all evidence is open for examination, one must entertain the possibility that any one of the multitudinous explanations of that series of events could be correct. This is simple logic. JFK was on amphetamines. Stalin killed millions in secret. Nixon authorized burglary to further his ends. So while it does indeed sound like tinfoil-hat reasoning, the principle of obfuscation instead of illumination which our supposed 'free societies' have been pursuing in this regard makes it not outside the bounds of possibility. And about that fascism thing; you are wrong. Nazism is a form of fascism. See the link:
I just had a gander at your profile. No friends. Imagine that.
Out there doing the Dale Carnegie tonight, eh my pet pedant? Smile and nod. Works every time. You can get out on the boards, correct a typo or two and fix the world. Because, boy, it needs fixing. I may befriend you myself just so you don't feel so cranky. Insulting people because they don't like you won't make you feel better, though. Sadly. Because that looks like all you are good at.
Although history isn't one of my degrees, as a social scientist I am passing familiar with it. Which apparently you are NOT, if you got the simple Nazi thing wrong. What are your degrees in my dear? What? Internet porn? The psychology of argument? Cercopithecine shit slinging, perhaps?
Whatever.
Back to the issue at hand. Just to be precise, the attack in Bombay involved multiple groups, with advanced martial knowledge and training, and they are purported to be Pakistani or Indian Muslim extremists. They also are purported to have used knives and explosives as well as a variety of small arms. Their organization and training implies connection to some larger parent group with political intent. The claim of alliegance one way or another proves nothing, until hard evidence is collected. Which is ongoing, I hear.
It will be interesting to see what evolves. But don't believe everything you see on TV, even if it IS the BBC.
@JDisnidiet: Everything else aside, are you really trying to make a big deal out of the fact he inadvertently threw an e on the end of suit?
That kind of pedantry is frowned upon here. The other kinds that you guys are engaging in? Have at it, just keep it out of the week's regularly scheduled posts.
The owner of the business I work for stayed at the Taj earlier this year. He reckons they must of thought out the attack pretty well because of the high level of security at the hotel. He thought it was quite a safe place to be.
I'd say the attacks were of an Islamic extremist nature given the attacks on westerners and the local Jewish community. I guess the philosophy 'live and let live' is unheard of amongst those people.
Most of the analysis points to Islamist (not Islamic -- it's the religion vs. politics thing) extremists. The entire goal of Al Qaeda and similar groups is war on a massive scale. They know they can't start it themselves, so they try to goad larger powers into action. It worked on 9/11, leading the U.S. into war in the Middle East, and starting a conflict that bin Laden and his lackeys had no hope of starting themselves. However, their window of opportunity in the mideast is rapidly closing as the U.S. appetite for war wanes. What's a radical to do? Turn eastward, and try to start something between India and Pakistan -- two countries that are already hostile to one another, and have nukes. Now it's up to India's political leaders to avoid the trap, and Pakistan's to make sure nobody's able to set another one.
@ACMEsalesrep: Yeah pretty much 'those people' are the extremists. What were you thinking of? -a chance to tell someone off for anti-Semitic ravings?
Well India, Pakistan, England, Australia, South Africa, the West Indies, Sri Lanka and more are fighting an ongoing battle for many many generations. A battle that has seen Australia come out on top, yet a battle where India has the better defence and Pakistan the better offence. A battle that brings a smile to a child's face. A battle the brings peace and goodwill. A battle that breeds respect and understanding amongst adversaries. A battle that America does not engage in...
@LandofMinos, is begging congress for more hotpants for GM: Ponting, good batsman, shite captain. I hope that no New Zealanders see your comment, since you left them off the list, despite us thrashing them in the tests at the moment.
Yeah, I was in London a couple weeks after 7/7. It was a bit scary. Hopefully, as in London, the Mumbai police will now be on super-full-heavy duty-extremo anti-terrorist alert.
Been trying to talk my parents out of their trip there in February,they seem to jinx places,on their last holiday they went to Kenya & terrorist attacks started,now they're going to India & it all kicks off. Seems to be a pattern ther,hmmmm.
@layabout: The summer of 1982, a college chum and I were seeing the continent on student shoe-string budgets. We were in Paris during a spate of bombing. We walked up and down the Champs-Élysées; that night a bomb went off, killing someone walking his dog. Each day as we traveled in from the Bois de Boulogne we'd go down embassy row (15th Arrondisement...? Don't remember for sure); one day the Iranian Embassy was bombed.
It really seemed like the attacks would occur after we'd visited!
It will be interesting to see how this plays out, given the Special Forces say they had and could get no maps or blueprints of the layout of the place and that the terrorists certainly knew the building perfectly and apparently even had a room rented as a base of operations.
Tragic, but I am not really sure how this is about cars, aside from the affiliation with a multinational conglomerate which happens to own some car companies. Still, I feel that the media should never publicize the terrorists cause by revealing their demands or ideologies or whatever. I am pretty sure that is what they are going for. If you don't advertise their message for them, the whole thing becomes pretty pointless.
@FuzzyPlushroom: The group claiming responsibility are the Deccan Mujahadeen. The group swears to avenge the repression of Muslims within India, and recent police tactics-enthusiastically rounding up Muslims from deprived areas for interrogation-clearly inflamed tensions. But then why go door-to-door in the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower Hotel looking for Americans and Brits? Some say to divert attention from Pakistan, India's neighbour and in most people's opinion the front line of the global war on Islamist extremism
@damnelantra™: No mix up,it's hardly the right time to mock Indian cars,so i just went with the Jalopnik standard of dislike for Chinese car clones,it was that or a good old fashioned British Leyland punchline. Can i play with my Hot wheels now?
@layabout: aw man... i liked it better before, though it had some satirical humor to it. now its just bland and tasteless like so many turkey dinners...
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Let's say you want to get a bunch of laissez-faire democracies to do something about Islamic Fundamentalists (Islamofascist in today's parlance, because that makes it easier to connect to the Nazis, and that is the most potent allergen in provoking mass political responses) who are causing trouble in your neighborhood.
Unfortunately, these democracies just seem not to be doing enough to suite you. They have this 'live and let live' attitude, and a tradition of personal freedoms, which makes them inconvenient to control. But these Islamofascists which are infesting the neighborhood are a bit beyond your own capacities to exterminate, so you need a bigger hammer.
It might be a neat trick, to poke a stick in the anthill, and arouse these lazy democracies, with an attack in their backyard, which would get blamed on the Islamofascists, thus recruiting those lazy SOB's to you cause, and giving you that big hammer you needed.
You might try flying an airplane into a building. That would work. Or even a nice little guerilla raid on a wateringhole of the rich and famous. People would get pissed. They would over react. And when they pulled the trigger on the inevitable barfight, you would be there with a butter-wouldn't-melt-in-my-mouth expression to condemn everthing. And shake your head sadly.
Heck, it might even be a better trick, to invent some figurehead Islamofascist terrorist, who could be your mouthpiece to justify all the changes you might want in these democracies, so you could control them better. What an idea... oh, wait...
We'll talk later, there's someone calling on the phone..
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Fascism is from Italy, and while allied with Nazis, not Nazis, per se.
What does "enough to suite you" mean?
But other than that, that was some nice sticking up for your little buddy coupeZ600. And it made just as much sense as his original post.
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Thanks for playing.
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Qui bono is an interesting way of looking at history. There are others, too, you know. Oh, right, you don't, my bad.
Now, you may get back to twisting your brain into pretzels. You almost looped back on yourself in that last post.
The attack in Bombay was carried out by armed muslims. They probably didn't use Occam's or any other razor.
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I just had a gander at your profile. No friends. Imagine that.
Out there doing the Dale Carnegie tonight, eh my pet pedant? Smile and nod. Works every time. You can get out on the boards, correct a typo or two and fix the world. Because, boy, it needs fixing. I may befriend you myself just so you don't feel so cranky. Insulting people because they don't like you won't make you feel better, though. Sadly. Because that looks like all you are good at.
Although history isn't one of my degrees, as a social scientist I am passing familiar with it. Which apparently you are NOT, if you got the simple Nazi thing wrong. What are your degrees in my dear? What? Internet porn? The psychology of argument? Cercopithecine shit slinging, perhaps?
Whatever.
Back to the issue at hand. Just to be precise, the attack in Bombay involved multiple groups, with advanced martial knowledge and training, and they are purported to be Pakistani or Indian Muslim extremists. They also are purported to have used knives and explosives as well as a variety of small arms. Their organization and training implies connection to some larger parent group with political intent. The claim of alliegance one way or another proves nothing, until hard evidence is collected. Which is ongoing, I hear.
It will be interesting to see what evolves. But don't believe everything you see on TV, even if it IS the BBC.
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That kind of pedantry is frowned upon here. The other kinds that you guys are engaging in? Have at it, just keep it out of the week's regularly scheduled posts.
Carry on.
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I swear I'm not holding. No box cutters or razors. Honest.
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I'd say the attacks were of an Islamic extremist nature given the attacks on westerners and the local Jewish community. I guess the philosophy 'live and let live' is unheard of amongst those people.
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Most of the analysis points to Islamist (not Islamic -- it's the religion vs. politics thing) extremists. The entire goal of Al Qaeda and similar groups is war on a massive scale. They know they can't start it themselves, so they try to goad larger powers into action. It worked on 9/11, leading the U.S. into war in the Middle East, and starting a conflict that bin Laden and his lackeys had no hope of starting themselves. However, their window of opportunity in the mideast is rapidly closing as the U.S. appetite for war wanes. What's a radical to do? Turn eastward, and try to start something between India and Pakistan -- two countries that are already hostile to one another, and have nukes. Now it's up to India's political leaders to avoid the trap, and Pakistan's to make sure nobody's able to set another one.
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Well India, Pakistan, England, Australia, South Africa, the West Indies, Sri Lanka and more are fighting an ongoing battle for many many generations. A battle that has seen Australia come out on top, yet a battle where India has the better defence and Pakistan the better offence. A battle that brings a smile to a child's face. A battle the brings peace and goodwill. A battle that breeds respect and understanding amongst adversaries. A battle that America does not engage in...
Cricket. In case you did not know
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It really seemed like the attacks would occur after we'd visited!
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Eternal vigilance, dudes.
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Not at all. In fact, now that Tata owns Jaguar, I am anticipating a new Tata model called, the CatWoman .
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Maybe they were just angry that they couldn't get any inexpensive Tatas. Yeah, that must've been it. Tatas make everyone feel better.
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go in the corner with no hot wheels for 2 hours!
...then grandma will come by with some candy
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yes, you can have your hot wheels now
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