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    Image of MadNachos MadNachos
    12/01/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    Well...all I can say is when I am at a hotel I am armed with a pistol...sucks to bring 'nothing' to a gun fight...
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    12/01/08

    @MadNachos: While I agree with you in principle, if I was armed with a pistol in that situation, I'd be very careful about using it. You know, being outnumbered by better armed guys with grenades and all. Better a live coward than a dead hero and all that.
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    12/01/08

    @MadNachos: Ladies and gentleman, Plaxico Burress is in the house!
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    TERROR!!!! TERROR!!!! TERROR!!!!
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    Image of coupeZ600 coupeZ600
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    So 19 guys get on some planes, we get a huge bureaucracy, and two hour lines at the Airport. 10 guys get out of a boat, and you're gonna' have to show I.D. to get into a Starbucks (not that I would ever go to one). What's going to happen when 3 guys get out of whatever is produced by a GM/Chrysler/Ford merger?
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    Image of JDisnidiet JDisnidiet
    11/30/08

    @coupeZ600: Perhaps a semblance of logic, reason or comprehensible writing?
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    11/30/08

    @JDisnidiet: Pfft. Optimist.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/30/08

    @JDisnidiet: Sometimes people write in shorthand leaving out bits that seem obvious. And some just have a tenuous grasp on reality.


    Let's say you want to get a bunch of laissez-faire democracies to do something about Islamic Fundamentalists (Islamofascist in today's parlance, because that makes it easier to connect to the Nazis, and that is the most potent allergen in provoking mass political responses) who are causing trouble in your neighborhood.


    Unfortunately, these democracies just seem not to be doing enough to suite you. They have this 'live and let live' attitude, and a tradition of personal freedoms, which makes them inconvenient to control. But these Islamofascists which are infesting the neighborhood are a bit beyond your own capacities to exterminate, so you need a bigger hammer.


    It might be a neat trick, to poke a stick in the anthill, and arouse these lazy democracies, with an attack in their backyard, which would get blamed on the Islamofascists, thus recruiting those lazy SOB's to you cause, and giving you that big hammer you needed.


    You might try flying an airplane into a building. That would work. Or even a nice little guerilla raid on a wateringhole of the rich and famous. People would get pissed. They would over react. And when they pulled the trigger on the inevitable barfight, you would be there with a butter-wouldn't-melt-in-my-mouth expression to condemn everthing. And shake your head sadly.


    Heck, it might even be a better trick, to invent some figurehead Islamofascist terrorist, who could be your mouthpiece to justify all the changes you might want in these democracies, so you could control them better. What an idea... oh, wait...


    We'll talk later, there's someone calling on the phone..

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    Image of JDisnidiet JDisnidiet
    11/30/08

    @DoctorNine, Experimental Vehicle Type II B or NOT II B: Snug down that tinfoil headwear - you are in for a long haul.


    Fascism is from Italy, and while allied with Nazis, not Nazis, per se.


    What does "enough to suite you" mean?


    But other than that, that was some nice sticking up for your little buddy coupeZ600. And it made just as much sense as his original post.

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/30/08

    @JDisnidiet: Occam's razor suggests that that hypothesis which is simplest, is the one most likely to be correct. I here use a similar principle. In contemporary governmental affairs, if one looks at who benefits most from a series of events, it is very likely that that series of events was orchestrated, directly or indirectly, by those who eventually are found to reap the benefit. Similarly, until all evidence is open for examination, one must entertain the possibility that any one of the multitudinous explanations of that series of events could be correct. This is simple logic. JFK was on amphetamines. Stalin killed millions in secret. Nixon authorized burglary to further his ends. So while it does indeed sound like tinfoil-hat reasoning, the principle of obfuscation instead of illumination which our supposed 'free societies' have been pursuing in this regard makes it not outside the bounds of possibility. And about that fascism thing; you are wrong. Nazism is a form of fascism. See the link:


    [en.wikipedia.org]


    Thanks for playing.

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    Image of JDisnidiet JDisnidiet
    11/30/08

    @DoctorNine, not a superhero but not normal either: Aw, look who responded. Cute. And as you well know, wikipedia is never wrong. But you dodged the "suite" remark well. Suite!


    Qui bono is an interesting way of looking at history. There are others, too, you know. Oh, right, you don't, my bad.


    Now, you may get back to twisting your brain into pretzels. You almost looped back on yourself in that last post.


    The attack in Bombay was carried out by armed muslims. They probably didn't use Occam's or any other razor.

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/30/08

    @JDisnidiet:

    I just had a gander at your profile. No friends. Imagine that.


    Out there doing the Dale Carnegie tonight, eh my pet pedant? Smile and nod. Works every time. You can get out on the boards, correct a typo or two and fix the world. Because, boy, it needs fixing. I may befriend you myself just so you don't feel so cranky. Insulting people because they don't like you won't make you feel better, though. Sadly. Because that looks like all you are good at.


    Although history isn't one of my degrees, as a social scientist I am passing familiar with it. Which apparently you are NOT, if you got the simple Nazi thing wrong. What are your degrees in my dear? What? Internet porn? The psychology of argument? Cercopithecine shit slinging, perhaps?


    Whatever.


    Back to the issue at hand. Just to be precise, the attack in Bombay involved multiple groups, with advanced martial knowledge and training, and they are purported to be Pakistani or Indian Muslim extremists. They also are purported to have used knives and explosives as well as a variety of small arms. Their organization and training implies connection to some larger parent group with political intent. The claim of alliegance one way or another proves nothing, until hard evidence is collected. Which is ongoing, I hear.


    It will be interesting to see what evolves. But don't believe everything you see on TV, even if it IS the BBC.

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    Image of Pete Gaines Pete Gaines
    12/01/08

    @JDisnidiet: Everything else aside, are you really trying to make a big deal out of the fact he inadvertently threw an e on the end of suit?


    That kind of pedantry is frowned upon here. The other kinds that you guys are engaging in? Have at it, just keep it out of the week's regularly scheduled posts.


    Carry on.

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    12/01/08

    @Pete Gaines: Who? Me? ...what?



    I swear I'm not holding. No box cutters or razors. Honest.

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    Image of LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    The owner of the business I work for stayed at the Taj earlier this year. He reckons they must of thought out the attack pretty well because of the high level of security at the hotel. He thought it was quite a safe place to be.


    I'd say the attacks were of an Islamic extremist nature given the attacks on westerners and the local Jewish community. I guess the philosophy 'live and let live' is unheard of amongst those people.

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    Image of ACMEsalesrep ACMEsalesrep
    11/30/08

    @LandofMinos, is begging congress for more hotpants for GM: I hope by "those people" you meant radical terrorists.


    Most of the analysis points to Islamist (not Islamic -- it's the religion vs. politics thing) extremists. The entire goal of Al Qaeda and similar groups is war on a massive scale. They know they can't start it themselves, so they try to goad larger powers into action. It worked on 9/11, leading the U.S. into war in the Middle East, and starting a conflict that bin Laden and his lackeys had no hope of starting themselves. However, their window of opportunity in the mideast is rapidly closing as the U.S. appetite for war wanes. What's a radical to do? Turn eastward, and try to start something between India and Pakistan -- two countries that are already hostile to one another, and have nukes. Now it's up to India's political leaders to avoid the trap, and Pakistan's to make sure nobody's able to set another one.

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    Image of LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
    11/30/08

    @ACMEsalesrep: Yeah pretty much 'those people' are the extremists. What were you thinking of? -a chance to tell someone off for anti-Semitic ravings?


    Well India, Pakistan, England, Australia, South Africa, the West Indies, Sri Lanka and more are fighting an ongoing battle for many many generations. A battle that has seen Australia come out on top, yet a battle where India has the better defence and Pakistan the better offence. A battle that brings a smile to a child's face. A battle the brings peace and goodwill. A battle that breeds respect and understanding amongst adversaries. A battle that America does not engage in...




    Cricket. In case you did not know

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    Image of LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
    11/30/08

    @LandofMinos, Don't you fucking look at me!: Go Ricky! Go Ricky!
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    Image of the good dr zero the good dr zero
    12/01/08

    @LandofMinos, is begging congress for more hotpants for GM: Ponting, good batsman, shite captain. I hope that no New Zealanders see your comment, since you left them off the list, despite us thrashing them in the tests at the moment.
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    Image of LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard LandofMinos, cast thou evil bum dragger to thy scrapyard
    12/01/08

    @the good dr zero: New who? OH! that Rugby playing nation. Well they did beat us in the last test.
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    Image of Bazza, now with a wonderfully longer name! Bazza, now with a wonderfully longer name!
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    Are there really enough jews in India to provoke hatred?
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    11/30/08

    @Bazza, now with a wonderfully longer name!: Dude, one of the places attacked was a Jewish center. A Rabbi and his wife (and others) were killed.
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    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    BTW, Raman Tata will be on CNN at 1:00 ET/12 CST
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    Yeah, I was in London a couple weeks after 7/7. It was a bit scary. Hopefully, as in London, the Mumbai police will now be on super-full-heavy duty-extremo anti-terrorist alert.
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    Image of layabout layabout
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    Been trying to talk my parents out of their trip there in February,they seem to jinx places,on their last holiday they went to Kenya & terrorist attacks started,now they're going to India & it all kicks off. Seems to be a pattern ther,hmmmm.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/30/08

    @layabout: Any chance they're headed to Crawford, Texas in the New Year?
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    Image of layabout layabout
    11/30/08

    @NovaloadMissesPolar: No,so it should be safe there. ;)
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    Image of Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing
    12/01/08

    @layabout: The summer of 1982, a college chum and I were seeing the continent on student shoe-string budgets. We were in Paris during a spate of bombing. We walked up and down the Champs-Élysées; that night a bomb went off, killing someone walking his dog. Each day as we traveled in from the Bois de Boulogne we'd go down embassy row (15th Arrondisement...? Don't remember for sure); one day the Iranian Embassy was bombed.


    It really seemed like the attacks would occur after we'd visited!

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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    It will be interesting to see how this plays out, given the Special Forces say they had and could get no maps or blueprints of the layout of the place and that the terrorists certainly knew the building perfectly and apparently even had a room rented as a base of operations.

    Eternal vigilance, dudes.
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    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    Tatas are Super Plus Good.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/30/08

    @sos10: Yes... but am I the only one who hopes that there might be some other Tatas that are a bit, you know, bigger?
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/30/08

    @Deartháir: "..am I the only one who hopes that there might be some other Tatas that are a bit, you know, bigger ?.."


    Not at all. In fact, now that Tata owns Jaguar, I am anticipating a new Tata model called, the CatWoman .


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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    11/30/08

    @Deartháir: anymore then a compact parking spots worth is a waste
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    11/30/08

    @Deartháir: As long as it's large enough to sound like a motorboat.
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    Image of joneez wants the clunkers he paid for joneez wants the clunkers he paid for
    11/30/08

    @DoctorNine, Experimental Vehicle Type II B or NOT II B:*Sigh* Catwoman, she had some nice tatas.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/30/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: You speak truthiness and sense.
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/30/08

    @joneez: Yeah. I'll admit to liking bigger Tatas better than small ones. What do you think about this:


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    Image of joneez wants the clunkers he paid for joneez wants the clunkers he paid for
    11/30/08

    @DoctorNine, Experimental Vehicle Type II B or NOT II B: Nice. Has an insurgent toting quality about it!
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/30/08

    @joneez: Yeah, I can definitely see a 50cal mounted out back.
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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    My condolences, on a sidenote, will this delay the export of the Nano?
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    Image of Comrade Clockwork Comrade Clockwork
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    Tragic, but I am not really sure how this is about cars, aside from the affiliation with a multinational conglomerate which happens to own some car companies. Still, I feel that the media should never publicize the terrorists cause by revealing their demands or ideologies or whatever. I am pretty sure that is what they are going for. If you don't advertise their message for them, the whole thing becomes pretty pointless.
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    11/30/08

    @Speed8: You're obviously new to the site.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    11/30/08

    In reply to Tata Motors Chairman, Owner Of Taj Mahal Hotel, Claims They "Had Warning" Ahead Of Attack
    So, any idea why these attacks were carried out? Terrorism, sure, but what group? What were they trying to prove?


    Maybe they were just angry that they couldn't get any inexpensive Tatas. Yeah, that must've been it. Tatas make everyone feel better.

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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    11/30/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: Tatas ALWAYS make me feel better.
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    Image of layabout layabout
    11/30/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: The group claiming responsibility are the Deccan Mujahadeen. The group swears to avenge the repression of Muslims within India, and recent police tactics-enthusiastically rounding up Muslims from deprived areas for interrogation-clearly inflamed tensions. But then why go door-to-door in the Taj Mahal Palace & Tower Hotel looking for Americans and Brits? Some say to divert attention from Pakistan, India's neighbour and in most people's opinion the front line of the global war on Islamist extremism
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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    11/30/08

    @layabout: that response was entirely to informative to be read on this site.


    go in the corner with no hot wheels for 2 hours!


    ...then grandma will come by with some candy

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    Image of layabout layabout
    11/30/08

    @damnelantra™: Normal service will resume in 3...2...1....,so Chinese cars are crap....
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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    11/30/08

    @layabout: acceptable, +1 for mixing chinese and indian cars and their owners
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    Image of layabout layabout
    11/30/08

    @damnelantra™: No mix up,it's hardly the right time to mock Indian cars,so i just went with the Jalopnik standard of dislike for Chinese car clones,it was that or a good old fashioned British Leyland punchline. Can i play with my Hot wheels now?
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    11/30/08

    @layabout: Sure, those are made in Malaysia, mostly.
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    Image of TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah TexanIdiot25- needs moar horse powah
    11/30/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: I want to say they all are. Never once have I seen a hotwheel made any where else.
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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    11/30/08

    @layabout: aw man... i liked it better before, though it had some satirical humor to it. now its just bland and tasteless like so many turkey dinners...


    yes, you can have your hot wheels now

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    11/30/08

    @damnelantra™: Damn it! i take it back,go with the funny one ;)
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