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    Image of SeanKHotay SeanKHotay
    11/17/08

    In reply to 100 Auto Suppliers Want In On Hot Bailout Action
    I forsee the following counter-proposal to a blank check from this congress (and I pre-quote):


    "NARP!"

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/17/08

    @SeanKHotay: The No-significant Asset Relief Program? Designed for Chrysler? HA!


    I kid, I kid.


    Kind of.

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/17/08

    In reply to 100 Auto Suppliers Want In On Hot Bailout Action
    Wow. The auto suppliers want a piece of the pay?


    No one saw that coming.


    /sarcasm

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    Image of mehugtree mehugtree
    11/17/08

    In reply to 100 Auto Suppliers Want In On Hot Bailout Action
    let them crumble. isn't that what capitalism is all about?
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    11/17/08

    @mehugtree:


    Yep, that is exactly what capitalism is theoretically about.


    Except for the one little detail that we live in reality, not in theory. And the reality it, if two of the recently-termed "not-so-big 3" go down, then every single one of these suppliers go under as well. And let us not forget that these suppliers don't just supply the "not-so-big 3", they supply the Asian and European automakers as well. So if they go under, many of the Asian and European automakers will find themselves in a very difficult position. Granted, they will likely survive, but the near-term consequences would be disasterous to the US.


    Once again, when it comes to the automaker bailout, everyone spouts the old "capitalist theory" line, and completely fail to see the vastly larger picture that is reality. And yet, when it came time to bail the banks out in a capitalistic market, oh lord, think of the consequences that would happen if the banks fail! Let's give them a butt load of money for making management decisions that were so poor they made GM look like an efficiently-run business.


    Theory is fine and good in the classroom. But when you are in a position in which you are hurting for money in an economy where you can barely keep a roof over your head and feed your family, just suck it up and take heart in that old capitilast theory line: let them crumble.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/17/08

    In reply to 100 Auto Suppliers Want In On Hot Bailout Action
    I foresee a lot of problems. Magna is the biggest auto parts supplier in the world; it's a Canadian company. Would they qualify for money from this bailout? If not, how much of an impact would it actually have? And if so, what can of worms does that open, having the US government bail out a Canadian corporation?


    Since, last I heard, Magna was doing just fine thankyouverymuch (although that could have changed), if they don't need a bailout, why wouldn't the Formerly Big Three just send more business thataway, thereby driving the smaller companies out of business? Would the government, then, stepping in to help the rest of the smaller companies not be seen as favouritism, and artificially inflating the prices of Magna, for instance?


    Canada tried this years ago. They subsidized the production of a company producing jeans: Great Western Garment Co., or GWG. Canadians probably remember GWG jeans; they were poorly-made, used thinner fabric, and had lagged years behind the fashion trends of the day, but they were priced at often less than half the price of Levi's. Eventually, Canadians just ponied up the extra cash for the better jeans, and complained loudly about it until the government stopped subsidizing. At that point, the company failed.


    What's to say the same wouldn't happen again? If the government keeps propping up these companies, what's the motivation to dramatically and drastically improve their product?


    Again, the Canadian liberal-social-democrat is advocating free market economics. Something's just not right in the world.

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    Image of acarr260 acarr260
    11/17/08

    @Deartháir: I would assume that only US companies can apply for this. One issue with Magna's size is that all automakers get nervous of giving more than a certain percentage of a given market (such as body sealing, motor mounts, etc) to a single supplier. Once you get to be #1 in a market, you stop getting awarded new business from at least the Big 3. The company that employs me is running into that issue now in two of our markets; luckily, we've been going after conquest business in Europe and Asia.
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    11/17/08

    In reply to 100 Auto Suppliers Want In On Hot Bailout Action
    Is step #4 "Profit"? Somehow, I doubt it.
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    11/17/08

    @discontinuuity: No, 4 is "?" and 5 is "Profit!"
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    11/17/08

    In reply to 100 Auto Suppliers Want In On Hot Bailout Action
    'Round here, Troubled Asset Relief comes in a tube, and it doesn't cost 700 billion.
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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    11/17/08

    @boosted-lego-wagon: Our early attempts at a tractor beam went through several preparations. Preparations A through G were a complete failure.
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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    11/17/08

    In reply to 100 Auto Suppliers Want In On Hot Bailout Action
    Where do I sign up for my bonus, er TARP check?
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