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    Image of the good dr zero the good dr zero
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    To all the doubters out there - I humbly point you towards one of Davey's contributions to Jalopnik.


    [jalopnik.com]

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    Image of LJSearles LJSearles
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    Oh the possibilities...


    Along with the G8, A couple of rounds of the V8 Supercars in the USA would become an awesome thing. Nascar what?


    www.V8supercars.com.au




    And how could we not love some XXXX Angel action over here?


    [www.v8supercars.com.au]

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @LJSearles: Love that series, and I love me some "Foh-Ax Ayngils."
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    Image of Tom Reynolds Tom Reynolds
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    I hate to rain your collective parades, but there's not a snowballs chance in hell that there will be a LHD version. It was never ever engineered to be made available in a LHD unlike the Commodore/G8 (the budget for the G8 was double that of the new Falcon)


    The pick of them is the Turbo 6. 310 Kw (415 bhp) of brutality.


    Meantime, feel free to have drool over all of the Falcons available- here's my Flickr set from when I went to the Falcon launch last year.


    [flickr.com]


    Regards

    Tom

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @Tom Reynolds: See several posts above. It was engineered to be LHD, they just never finished building any of the tooling to actually make them.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    If we can't have the Pontiacamino, the perhaps the Falchero will fill the bill.


    Especially if we could get it Stateside with the tray! Full sheets of plywood, ahoy!

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    Okay. Goodbye, Ford's Two Oldest Vehicles (Panther and Ranger). Hello, full line of Falcons.


    Hell, sounds right to me.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @FuzzyPlushroom: My thoughts exactly. It CAN'T be more expensive to finish the LHD conversion than to come up with full replacements for both those models.


    Only problem is the 4x4 version of the Ranger. The Falcon Ute isn't exactly ideal for that role. Still, could probably fill that with the Ford F100 or F050 that was rumoured a while ago - a smaller, stripped down F150 for light-duty needs.

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    Image of Bad Juju Bad Juju
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    It almost goes without saying since its so obvious, the problem with the Subaru Baja is that the bed is ridiculously short. Nothing fits in it! I'd consider a VW Pickup/Caddy before a Baja... Just long enough to fit a motorcycle in the back, that's all I ask for.

    The Toyota truck I use for the task now is fine, but an El Falcomino would be glorious.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    01/08/09

    @Bad Juju: Falcochero. There, fixed that for you.
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    Image of scrubnick scrubnick
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    Dude, can we please get over this obsession with car-based trucks? Holy crap, cut your mullet and get out of the 70's. This is as bad as the "I'd get it if they offered it in a turbo diesel manual wagon version." The vocal people on the internet sure love them, but for a real mass-market money maker, sorry.


    Also, why on earth would I pay an extra 10 grand (10 grand!) for a truck that's a little lower, can't tow as much, yet gets the same or 1 mpg better fuel economy as a regular pickup? They'd be better off making a special edition pickup that's lowered and has a better interior and ride quality.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @scrubnick: GUARDS!


    Seriously, think of this as a replacement for the 2wd Ranger, then it makes sense. In Australia, thanks to it's big beefy V8, it is used to tow far more than the Ranger can, and the only reason it's more expensive is that the Ranger hasn't seen a REAL update since the first Bush presidency. If we step away from the stereotype of the El Camino as an odd-ball muscle... thing... and look at it in the Australian model, it makes sense. These are the workhorses for most businesses down there. The low bed makes it easier to load, and the car-like ride makes it a more comfortable place to spend a day. Yes, Americans (and Canadians) love their big beefy trucks, but for a small business, a straight-six or turbo-four Ute is an appealing option.

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    Image of dwp dwp
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    there is no LHD version of the platform. the car was never engineered to meet US crash standards. importation of the car is therefore basically impossible. ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.


    if one really has the el camino lust that bad, someone should talk to GM about paying to import the ST8 anyway with different fascia & hood or something. tho I don't think anyone who's that excited about an el camino has the money to do it anyway. or get Holden to sell you Ute a body-in-white to build up into whatever, like the reproduction muscle cars, then just buy all the parts from the dealer.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @dwp: The current Falcon was engineered and designed to be able to be easily converted to LHD. It's just never been done. Back in 2006, IIRC, when they were originally designing this new next-generation Falcon, the original plan was for this to be the next-gen North American Crown Victoria. I believe Ford decided it needed the funding more for development of the next generation of the Euro Focus, and never completed the conversion, but the car has been designed to allow it to be done easily.
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    Image of cgarison cgarison
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: In fact, the current falcon has seen time on North America being tested. Not sure if it was to be the new CV, but it has had plenty of time cruising the streets around Detroit.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @cgarison: I'd heard rumblings of that, but I'd never seen photos.


    I get the feeling Ford is watching the G8 very carefully, and I have a sneaking hunch they've got something up their sleeves. The absence of any updates to the Crown Vic, despite its standing as the only viable choice for most police forces, which is still a profitable business for them, makes me wonder if they're using that profit towards development of the Falcon.


    I was talking to a cop yesterday, while I was nose-down in a ditch, who was saying that the Crown Vic is still the only viable police cruiser the RCMP is considering. They tried the Charger, but once all the RCMP equipment was installed, they had zero visibility out the rear window. They have abandoned the Impala, as it doesn't leave enough room, once the equipment is installed, for some of the larger officers. Anyone over 6'3" was refusing to drive them. They looked at the G8, but Pontiac won't bring over enough GTs to fill their orders. So the Falcon looks like the only real option, unless Ford completely re-vamps the Crown Vic.

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: Don't forget taxis, as well.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @Tomsk can park himself, thank you: Pfft. They seem to forget ME often enough.


    Plus, many taxis are used police cars, since they're cheap and well-maintained. So you're right, but it wouldn't help Ford much.

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    Image of Adam Smith Adam Smith
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    I just want the ability to buy a straight six without seeing the local BMW dealer. From what I understand, Ford has a nice straight six down under.
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    Image of BSAKat BSAKat
    01/08/09

    @Adam Smith:

    Indeed. Why is it that you can't get an I6 in a truck anymore, let alone a car. I miss my old 300I6.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @BSAKat: Honestly, I don't understand it either.


    The original reason for moving to V6 vs. I6 was two-fold. Length of the engine and strength of the crank. The long straight-six had a tendency to bend the crank in the middle, necessitating a center-engine crank-bearing, which would make the engine even LONGER.


    Today, though, that's not really a problem. With all the electronics involved, we need more space on either side of the engine, not so much for the engine themselves.


    The I6 is also one of the few naturally-balanced engines (along with, if I recall, the two VW W-engines, the W8 and W12.) This means it requires no external balancing, and is exceptionally smooth, and more efficient than an otherwise-identical V6, because there's less rotating mass to deal with. That also means exceptional low-end torque.


    All this for the trade-off of a longer hood... which looks sexy ANYHOW.

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    Image of crewcutkid crewcutkid
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    One question: Why?
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @crewcutkid: If you have to ask, you have already failed.
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    Image of combat chuck combat chuck
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    Hear, Hear!


    Now, it's perfectly fine for los Jalops to crave the high performance utes for hooning purposes and doing sweet smoky burnouts in the Gawker HQ parking lot. However, personally I wouldn't mind seeing a 4 cyl. fuel sipper version, perhaps even a diesel (gasp!). I bet something like that would sell pretty well with the average guy who doesn't need to haul a fridge while towing a jetski every weekend, but would like to carry his tools and a couple 2x4's without having to spring for the F-150.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @combat chuck: Shhhhh. Most of us would probably buy that. I had a 2.3L Ranger for years. But if anyone asks, it had a 5.0L Cobra engine swapped in.


    Man, I loved that fuel mileage.


    ...uh, I mean, RAW POWER! RRRRGH!

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    Image of combat chuck combat chuck
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: Heh, I'm just glad you didn't have me shot.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @combat chuck: Nah. You appear to be armed. Even if you are small, green, and made of plastic.
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    Image of dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    I just don't see the thing selling. Not that many people have the weird el camino fetish you guys have. And would anyone here actually run out and buy a brand new one if they did sell it? Just sayin...
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @the artist formerly known as dolo54: The truck, no. The wagon, hells bells yes.
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    Image of dolo54 blows minds and blows engines! dolo54 blows minds and blows engines!
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: I too would consider a wagon if I was in the market. But the ute? "Jack of all trades, master of none" springs to mind.
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    Image of the good dr zero the good dr zero
    01/08/09

    @the artist formerly known as dolo54: That's where you're wrong. A ute is the master of circle work.
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    Image of littleYodaPickup littleYodaPickup
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    I like it, but with looks like that, all CDs left in it overnight would inexplicably turn into KISS - Destroyer.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @littleYodaPickup: You say that like it's somehow a bad thing.


    I don't know about you, but I, want to rock and roll all night, and party ev-uh-ree day.

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: Lick it up.
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    Image of Boosted Lego Wagon Boosted Lego Wagon
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    A Letter From Ford Australia:


    Dear Jalopniks,


    Stewth! We've heard about you Yanks before, mostly because you keep posting stories about good true-blue blokes and sheilas who just happened to get caught speeding or running people over or wanking, or all three. If you dickheads think we're going to turn our bonza Utes over to a bunch of limp-wristed poofs who think shooting out of a moving car while doing coke is newsworthy, then you've got another think coming.


    Rack off,
    Ford Oz.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @boosted-lego-wagon: Goddammit, you're not allowed to have another COTD so soon. But FUCK that made me laugh.
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    Image of DannyBN DannyBN
    01/08/09

    In reply to An Open Letter To Ford: Give Us The Falcon Ute
    I hate to rain on the parade, but is the Falcon platform even offered in LHD form anywhere? I gonna guess it'd be prohibitively expensive to engineer one for markets outside of Australia and New Zealand.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @DannyBN: Don't say that, Ford's just LOOKING for excuses not to do it.


    Don't make me have you taken out and shot as well.

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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: Keep this up and we'll have to change your name to "Deartháir: a jack-booted, iron-fisted dictatorial version of Graverobber"
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @SCROGGZILLA RAIDS AGAIN!!: Quiet, you, or I'll send you to a gulag in Siberia.
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    Image of marc2068 marc2068
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: Sir, I have a cattle prod you can borrow.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @marc2068: Scroggzilla, you see that? Why can't you be more like that nice marc2068 boy?
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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: Oh sure....take a shine to the new boy and his fancy cattle prod.
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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    01/08/09

    @DannyBN: Uh, try NO. It's NOT complicated to change RHD to LHD.


    You invert the existing dash and just make some new holes in the firewall.


    It's NOT hard.


    It's not like the case of the skyline where the engine layout itself made it impossible to convert to LHD. If there's room for a 5.4 under the hood there is most certainly enough room to run a steering shaft on either side of the motor.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @SCROGGZILLA RAIDS AGAIN!!: Tell me you wouldn't be won over if someone handed you a cattle prod! They'd be your new best friend and you know it.
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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: Call me a luddite, but I prefer the personal touch that only an iron maiden delivers.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @SCROGGZILLA RAIDS AGAIN!!: Okay, it's a solid argument, but it's just not portable. Have you ever tried taking an iron maiden on a plane? God. The hassles. It's just not worth it.
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    Image of scroggzilla raids again scroggzilla raids again
    01/08/09

    @Deartháir: a Cruder, Fart-Joke Version of graverobber: Wait a minute...you're a ruthless dictator fer chrissakes. Shouldn't you have a Deartháir-force One at your disposal? Some fearless leader you turned out to be.....a dictator flying coach. Do you ship dissidents to Siberia via UPS too?
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    01/08/09

    @Plecostomus - Now with 20% more Algae!: Then you better get busy designing new pedal assemblies, steering columns, steering racks lock/window switches, dashboards, wiring harnesses etc. for the LHD version.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    01/08/09

    @danio3834: As I said on the next page, the Falcon was originally designed to be both LHD and RHD, but Ford never followed through in actually implementing it. The design and engineering work is apparently done, but the machines haven't been tooled for it. Back in '05 or '06, IIRC, there was talk that the next- and now current-gen Falcon would be the North American replacement for the Crown Victoria, so much of the hard work is done.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    01/08/09

    @danio3834: 1. Take the old component.


    2. Choose "Flip horizontally".


    3. ???


    4. PROFIT!

     Reply
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