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    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    To think that KEgg only now realized Saab is a worthless brand is naif.
    I continue to think that the deal wasn't really going to happen, I also think that KEgg will close doors really soon.
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    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Before everyone gets too sloshed from crying into their beer, let's keep one thing in mind - Saab was a dead brand walking when GM took it over in 1990. At that time, the 900 was based on a 22-year old platform and body. The 9000 was a failed experiment in moving upmarket. Sales had fallen through the floor and red ink was flowing everywhere. Maybe GM could have done better during their ownership, but the new 900 for 1994 and the 9-5 seemed like reasonable efforts. Not enough buyers cared by then. It's been panic actions ever since. Saab is a brand whose time has run out, and it looks like Volvo is headed for the same fate.
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    Image of stephdumas stephdumas
    11/24/09

    @tonyola: I checked here and there some old rumors from 2005 who mentionned than Renault eyed Volvo or Saab [jalopnik.com]
    [jalopnik.com]
    [jalopnik.com]
    Doubtful then Renault is still interested to get Saab but who knows?
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    11/24/09

    @stephdumas: There had been rumors of a Renault-Volvo merger in the late 1970s, and a Saab-Volvo merger had actually been officially proposed in 1979. Apparently Saab shareholders killed that idea.
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    11/24/09

    @tonyola: This is perhaps the best truism about Saab. I had a 1992 9000CS. I loved it. It was bulletproof, comfortable, and an enjoyable car. However,I bought it used at a ridiculously low price. That was and is the main problem with new Saab sales. These cars could never justify their inflated MSRP and their residual values reflect it. Why but a new Saab , when you can buy a slighlty used one for a fraction of the cost. It is not the same with BMW/Mercedes/Lexus?Infinity buyers as their respective vehicles still command decent trade values. Factor the meddling by GM into the design of Saabs from the mid-90's forward ,Saab could really never compete directly with other luxury brands on their merit alone.
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    tonyola promoted this comment longdx was starred longdx was unstarred
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    11/24/09

    @longdx: You make a good point in that despite all of Saab's efforts, it was never able to convince many people that it was a true luxury brand that could compete with the Germans, Lexus, and Infiniti. Saab was not satisfied with making fun, quirky, and moderately priced cars like in the '60s and '70s. Beginning with the '79 900, they kept trying to move upmarket into more profitable territory. It worked for a little while, but as the 99/900 platform aged and the 9000 sat in showrooms unbought, it was clear that people weren't going along with the game. By 1990, things had become hopeless and Saab was desperately looking for a savior - GM, in this case.
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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Saab for sale
    Appetizing Swedish Saab for sale
    Saab thats fresh and still unspoiled
    Saab thats only slightly soiled
    Saab for sale

    Who will buy
    Who would like to sample their supply
    Who's prepared to pay the fee
    For a center console key?
    Saab for sale

    Let the Hoons all rally Saabs
    In their Hoonish ways
    I know every type of Saab
    Better far than they
    If you want the thrill of Saab
    I've been through the mill of Saab
    Old Saab
    New Saab
    Every Saab but true Saab
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    11/24/09

    @Tanshanomi: so good, APPLAUSE
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    Image of LuciferV8 LuciferV8
    11/25/09

    @Tanshanomi: Another piece of quality work.
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    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Aw, shucks. Here's the scorecard:

    Pontiac: dead
    Saturn Deal: off
    Opel Deal: off
    Saab Deal: off
    HUMMER Deal: 不知道.
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    Image of Rust-MyEnemy Rust-MyEnemy
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Must admit it sounded a bit too good to be true, like Weissman buying BMW.

    Still, I've got £3.80 actual cash on me, right now. Put your hands in your pockets, guys.

    Do they have a "Buy it now" button?
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    11/24/09

    @Rust-MyEnemy: i've got 5$ on it.
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment SantaRita was starred SantaRita was unstarred
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    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Such
    An
    Acrimonious
    Breakup
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Let's review the GM asset sales so far. - Saturn was going to be absorbed by The Penske Group. Didn't happen.
    - Opel (Vauxhall) was going to be purchased by Magna, or was it someone else? Anyway, didn't happen.
    - Hummer is suppose to be purchased by a Chinese Company. The Jury is still out on this transaction.
    - Now SAAB with Kienigsegg....

    So far, it looks like GM is batting 1000 when it comes to offing their defunct divisions. Are they asking too much, or are the buyers just becoming aware that there is no value left in these divisions?
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    11/24/09

    @UDMan: Good question. Frankly, I am really glad I am not a big-wig business mogul. I see the weighty, perilous decisions that the heads of my current employer have to make, and I am glad I'm a Beta.
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    11/24/09

    @UDMan: DOESNT HELP THAT GM COOKED THE BOOKS, LYING ABOUT PROFIT AND SENDING THE CASH BACK TO THE GM HOME OFFICE.

    [www.thetruthaboutcars.com]

    #saab
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment SantaRita was starred SantaRita was unstarred
    Image of Braff Braff
    11/24/09

    @SantaRita: DOESN'T HELP TO SHOUT EITHER!
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    11/24/09

    @Braff: sorry, i shout when i'm angry.

    #tips
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    Image of Braff Braff
    11/24/09

    @SantaRita: ok fair enough
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    Image of Correlation is a dirty scopes Correlation is a dirty scopes
    11/25/09

    @Tanshanomi: I think most of the GM bigwigs were epsilons :-P
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Apparently nobody wants a car company that was "born from debts".
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    Image of dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity
    11/24/09

    @Alfisted: I have a problem with this comment: I already gave you a hart click, so what should I do now?

    I guess a COTD nomination, a golf clap and a promise to buy you a beer if we ever meet in person will have to do...
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    11/24/09

    @Alfisted: They will do well to learn how to do subtraction like 5-9 than just 9-5.
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    Image of Rust-MyEnemy Rust-MyEnemy
    11/24/09

    @Alfisted: Comment of the century.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    11/24/09

    @Alfisted: Has anyone suggested that this should be COTD?
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    11/24/09

    @Alfisted: WIN!
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Crap. That was some of the best car news this year. Too bad.
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    11/24/09

    In reply to BREAKING: Saab, Koenigsegg Deal Off
    Nooooooooooo!

    I guess GM realized they have to steal their design cues from someone. Too bad a nice wrapper on an old Opel or Trailblazer doesn't set the world on fire.

    Maybe Peugot or FIAT are still hungry?
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    Image of Ztele Ztele
    11/24/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: Fiat could still be, Marchionne the Terrible is always up for new markets. The problem is Saab is not strong on any market. As a Saab owner I'm really sad things didn't work out.
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment Ztele was starred Ztele was unstarred
    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    11/20/09

    In reply to Obama Goes "Boom-Boom Pow" On South Korean-U.S. Auto Trade Agreements
    Boom! The narcissistic arrogance of Barack Obama strikes again.

    Maybe that's a little unfair, because I can picture Dubya making the same ridiculous pose. But, really, is there a country the rockstar-in-chief hasn't traveled to this year?

    And, Ray, it's bad enough I can't go a whole day without seeing the guy's mug plastered all over TV, the interweb and half the magazines on the newsstand. Do I really have to deal with him here, too?
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    11/20/09

    @If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face: Dubya didn't give half a shit about how many shitty cars the Koreans dumped here.
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    11/20/09

    @HurtsSoGood: Of course not. I can fault Dubya for a lot of things, but at least he didn't take over the world's largest provider of Aveos and Forenzas.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Obama Goes "Boom-Boom Pow" On South Korean-U.S. Auto Trade Agreements

    I told you, Idiocracy is coming true.
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Obama Goes "Boom-Boom Pow" On South Korean-U.S. Auto Trade Agreements
    Dude, that wasn't Jackie Chan you just decked!
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Obama Goes "Boom-Boom Pow" On South Korean-U.S. Auto Trade Agreements

     
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    11/20/09

    @lilwillie: Please obscure that with a large fish.
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    Image of Pew Pew BOOM Pew Pew BOOM
    11/20/09

    In reply to Obama Goes "Boom-Boom Pow" On South Korean-U.S. Auto Trade Agreements
    So he did my brother? WTF!!!!
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    11/20/09

    @Pew Pew BOOM: How did your parents ever tell you apart?
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