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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    01:11 PM

    In reply to JD Power Customer Satisfaction Index: 12% Of Buyers Lost To Crappy Customer Service
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    11:34 AM

    In reply to JD Power Customer Satisfaction Index: 12% Of Buyers Lost To Crappy Customer Service
    They live but to serve.
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    Image of Rust-MyEnemy Rust-MyEnemy
    11:28 AM

    In reply to JD Power Customer Satisfaction Index: 12% Of Buyers Lost To Crappy Customer Service
    Car dealers suck?

    I don't, I'm excellent.

    Must be all the other tossers.
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    10:48 AM

    In reply to JD Power Customer Satisfaction Index: 12% Of Buyers Lost To Crappy Customer Service
    Poor Chrysler.
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    10:22 AM

    In reply to JD Power Customer Satisfaction Index: 12% Of Buyers Lost To Crappy Customer Service
    I've lost 12% of my brain cells thanks to JD's power.
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    Image of gunluva is prepared to drop. gunluva is prepared to drop.
    12/05/09

    In reply to Daughter Of Resigned GM CEO Attacks New GM CEO On Facebook
    Uhh... what the shift am I looking at, here?
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    I cannot be the only one here, to think that having a 101 year old fighter pilot at the helm of a 101 year old corporation is FREAKING GENIUS.

    Now tell me when he gets the job.
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    Time for some fresh blood. Bring in Max Records; he can be "King of Marketing."

    Yes, I know, GM ate all the previous kings.
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    Edited by bmoreDLJ at 12/04/09 9:32 AM bmoreDLJ was starred bmoreDLJ was unstarred
    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    Okay, If you want to make a point of differentiating the four GM brands, don't use the same slogan for more than one brand.

    I've heard "May the Best Car Win" used for Chevy, GMC, and Cadillac, and last time I checked, they were different brands.

    Also, don't go advertising a 5-year warranty as the "best in the business" if other automakers stand behind their cars for 10 years.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    Damn you, GM. Damn you. Always trying to keep me just interested enough to not abandon your fanboy camp; this time, you do it by putting Lutz back where he belongs: coming up with awesome cars.

    But no. I realize that Whitacre is responsible for Lutz' move back to product, but one good deed is not enough to redeem a man of a lifetime of dickheadedness. Keep Lutz in product, ensure that Whitacre's "temporary" status is well and truly temporary, and replace Whitacre with a newer, younger, more forward-thinking CEO, and I will return.

    Love,

    pauljones, still somewhere over in the Ford encampment.
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    Image of twinturbo2 twinturbo2
    12/04/09

    @pauljones: COME TO THE DARK SIDE, WE HAVE COOKIES.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/04/09

    @twinturbo2: I've already converted!

    And I am still awaiting my allotment of freshly-baked chocolate chip cookies.
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    12/04/09

    @pauljones: Will my special brownies do in the meantime?
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    Image of B1663R B1663R
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    Ladies and gentlemen, i am proud to introduce the new executive team for the all new General Motors!
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    Soon there will be as many reasons to love GM as there are to love AT&T.
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    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    12/04/09

    @Alfisted: I wonder if Whitacre is hoping to get "that kid from the iPhone commercials" to shill for GM.
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    Image of SerialThriller SerialThriller
    12/04/09

    @Alfisted: If GM is really like AT&T, the government will force them to split into several smaller companies, and then before long each of them will be larger than the original that was broken up.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    12/04/09

    @SerialThriller: ... and eventually, they will rejoin. The breaking up part is happening now, albeit without a lot of success.
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    Image of Miscellanea Miscellanea
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    Good. That's where they need him. Focusing on making more V-spec vehicles and less on his dismal marketing strategy.
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    Image of grzydj grzydj
    12/04/09

    @Miscellanea:

    As much as I love all the V-spec model vehicles slated to be produced, I don't think these niche market vehicles are going to put Government Motors in the black any time soon.
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    Image of Miscellanea Miscellanea
    12/04/09

    @grzydj: I know. My point is that Bob is better with product development than marketing. There's no cohesive marketing strategy whatsoever with GM and there truly needs to be.
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    This is a tragic day for reporters on the auto beat. Nothing fills copy like a loose cannon blowhard.

    And as much as he might be a car guy, the results of his efforts don't seem to be so spectacular, or to have turned into sales. He may have been doing less damage out front, than in sticking his fingers into product development.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    12/04/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: Once upon a time, Lutz was the VP of sales over at BMW, and had a hand in developing the 3-series.

    While working at Ford, Lutz was responsible for the Ford Sierra, which has developed quite the little cult following. Additionally, he was responsible for the original Ford Explorer; whether you like them or not, you can't deny that they were influential and were huge cash cows for Ford at the time.

    At Chrysler, he was responsible for the Dodge Viper, Plymouth Prowler, Chrysler Concorde, Chrysler 300M, Dodge Intrepid, and Eagle Vision.

    In his time at GM, he is given credit for the Cadillac Sixteen Concept, Saturn Aura, Saturn Sky and Pontiac Solstice, Pontiac G8, new Chevrolet Malibu, Cadillac CTS, Buick Enclave, Cadillac Converj Concept, Cadillac CTS Coupe, Chevrolet Camaro, Chevy Beat, Groove and Trax Concept Studies; the 2010 Buick LaCrosse, Chevrolet Equinox, and Cadillac SRX. He is also the man responsible for the second coming of the GTO.

    We've seen how well the 3-series has done, to say nothing of the original Ford Explorer. It's also telling that two of his more recent products were voted as Car of the Year in 2007 and 2008.

    If that doesn't qualify him as not only a car guy, but a very successful and qualified automotive product guy, then I don't know what does.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/04/09

    In reply to New GM CEO Futzes With Org Charts, Bob Lutz's "Maximum Marketer" Job
    Well, I've had the opinion that GM's been circling the drain for a while now. And it seems that they've decided to start swimming.

    The only question is, with the current or against it? Time will tell. But I'm guessing that being shoved out of the limelight, for someone who's as in-yo-face as Robertus Maximus, may be a tipping point. He could quit now and start collecting that sweet $3000 per month retirement check from the Uncle, head to Florida with his MiG, and have done. And losing him would, I think, be very very bad.
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    Image of TurboRefrigerator TurboRefrigerator
    12/04/09

    @Elhigh: I almosted missed the 'i' in MiG. I started having tremors from thinking about taking MY MG from MO to FL.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/04/09

    @TurboRefrigerator: Why tremors? It's easy: Tacoma, trailer, straps, done. No tremors.

    Oh - you meant DRIVING? -shudder-
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    Image of Turbineguy - now with reheat!! Turbineguy - now with reheat!!
    12/04/09

    @Elhigh: MiG? Nyet tovarich. Aero Vodochody L-39 Albatros. They'd never trust a retired USMC pilot like Lutz with anything carrying guns.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/04/09

    @Turbineguy - now with reheat!!: My bad. All I remembered was that it was Russian.

    I think Michael Dorn (Lt. Worf) has a jet, too. Maybe Lutz just wishes he was a Klingon.
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    Image of Turbineguy - now with reheat!! Turbineguy - now with reheat!!
    12/04/09

    @Elhigh: The L-39 is actually Czech-built. (Iron Curtain, FTW!) There's a really nice example at the airport I fly out of, although the owner is 100% tool.

    Dorn has owned a T-33 and F-86 previously, now has a Sabreliner. The guy loves old jets.

    Bob Lutz probably thinks Whitacre IS a total klingon, although not the type we're talking about here...
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/04/09

    @Turbineguy - now with reheat!!: So what's your usual ride? I'm guessing props don't enter into it, unless they're in the cargo hold.
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    Image of Turbineguy - now with reheat!! Turbineguy - now with reheat!!
    12/04/09

    @Elhigh: I'm a turboprop guy - Cessna Caravan and Pilatus PC12. The charter company I fly for (p/t gig) has a few CitationJets but they don't trust me with those.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/04/09

    @Turbineguy - now with reheat!!: Not a pilot myself, but I've always been very partial to the Cardinal / 182RC. That's just a really pretty plane. Also, for no special reason besides it's another really pretty plane, the C-119.

    And of course, the DC-3. Not for looks so much, though they're like Betty Grable - classic, wonderful - but because it's apparently unkillable. There are companies that will refit it to zero hours condition. A new DC-3, the mind boggles.
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    Image of Turbineguy - now with reheat!! Turbineguy - now with reheat!!
    12/04/09

    @Elhigh: I always liked the Cardinal - fixed gear or RG. I thought it was the sleekest piston single out there. I did some flying this summer in a pal's 1948 Beech 18 (Twin Beech). Beautiful airplane - twin Pratt radials, twin rudders & a tailwheel. Classic.

    I can't imagine what it'd cost to zero-time a 50,000hr DC-3 airframe. But, if ya got the money I can't think of a cooler airplane.
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