Is the target consumer for the 7 series really looking for a hybrid? Wouldn't it make more sense to stick it in a 3 series?
Still good to see a step in a more economical direction. (Even if by principle I don't like most current hybrids, this one keeps the V8, so it passes in my book.)
@wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx: Well, in places like London there are massive tax-breaks for big hybrids. This monster classes as a low emmissions vehile, so pays lower road tax and is exempt from the London congestion charge. In cities, which is where most of these end up, they make a whole bucket-o-sense.
I visited my old BMW dealership yesterday and one of my mates showed me around the new 750i they have on display.
And in my humble opinion as a Benz salesman...
The 7 is the bollocks. It looks fantastic in the flesh. Much better than the photos. The proportions are great, especially those rear shoulders. The S-Class and A8 better be shitting themselves.
But:- My dad would rather take that 4.4 twin turbo and put it in his E39 540i.....
@Rust-MyEnemyEnjoysPleasure!!!!: The Bangle Bimmers actually look better and better the bigger they get. It's a design language that needs a big canvas to work properly.
@graverobber- My Yugo Nova!: But don't the two turbos kick in at different revs (and have differing inertial mass), giving the BMW flatter elevated boost across the entire rev range? I just seem to remember having read something about that justification for using TWO turbochargers.
@Charles_Barrett - Now with Variable-Valve Timing: You nailed it. Basically, an asymmetrical twin-turbo setup or variable-dynamic turbo is the equivalent of a supercharger, without the supercharger's horsepower draw on the engine.
That said, however, it is possible -- and fairly easy -- to get the same, or better, performance out of a supercharger. A decent supercharger setup gives quite a nice, flat torque curve. It's quite difficult to tell the difference between, say, a supercharged six and a naturally aspirated 8, just by looking at the HP/torque curves. The difference is in the engine wear. A supercharger -- and particularly an aggressive one -- works the engine harder to produce more power. I've got mine dialled up to around 15-16 lbs of boost, as opposed to the normal 7 or 8; the tradeoff is that I'll need some major maintenance after about 70,000 kms, rather than about 120,000.
It's getting better, and with one exception, it's quite nice. But the headlights absolutely have to go. HAVE TO, do you hear me, BMW?
The design trait of a BMW, with the exception of the 2002 and M1, is the quad-round headlights on either side of a double-kidney grille. Those look like great big Generic-brand headlights with angel-eyes in them.
Throw them away, redesign, put proper fucking quad-rounds on it. MUST TRY HARDER. F+.
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Douchebags also like luxo-hybrids. I mean, RX400h, amirite?
Hey, it could work.
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Still good to see a step in a more economical direction. (Even if by principle I don't like most current hybrids, this one keeps the V8, so it passes in my book.)
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Rich Hollywood Liberals + Premium Brand Hybrid = $SALE$
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And in my humble opinion as a Benz salesman...
The 7 is the bollocks. It looks fantastic in the flesh. Much better than the photos. The proportions are great, especially those rear shoulders. The S-Class and A8 better be shitting themselves.
But:- My dad would rather take that 4.4 twin turbo and put it in his E39 540i.....
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Still hate the headlights though.
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That said, however, it is possible -- and fairly easy -- to get the same, or better, performance out of a supercharger. A decent supercharger setup gives quite a nice, flat torque curve. It's quite difficult to tell the difference between, say, a supercharged six and a naturally aspirated 8, just by looking at the HP/torque curves. The difference is in the engine wear. A supercharger -- and particularly an aggressive one -- works the engine harder to produce more power. I've got mine dialled up to around 15-16 lbs of boost, as opposed to the normal 7 or 8; the tradeoff is that I'll need some major maintenance after about 70,000 kms, rather than about 120,000.
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The design trait of a BMW, with the exception of the 2002 and M1, is the quad-round headlights on either side of a double-kidney grille. Those look like great big Generic-brand headlights with angel-eyes in them.
Throw them away, redesign, put proper fucking quad-rounds on it. MUST TRY HARDER. F+.
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