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    One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup

    1983 AMC Eagle: Too Far Ahead Of Its Time?

    Some Sort Of Land Rover

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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup

    Bite me, Nibbles. #wagoneer
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup

    Why are the hamsters so slow? Nobody's around here today. #wagoneer
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    10/24/09

    @Novaload: And they ate half my picture. #wagoneer
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    At least someone snagged the grille. #wagoneer
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/24/09

    @Novaload: Stop saying what I say. #wagoneer
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    At least someone snagged the grille. #wagoneer
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    10/24/09

    @Novaload: You're scaring me. #wagoneer
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/24/09

    @skaycog: Who are you? Do I know you? I thought I was the only person here. Are you a figment of my disturbed imagination?! #wagoneer
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    10/24/09

    @Novaload: It's me!! Don't you remember me? I noticed you were getting upset with the half picture and your double comments. Just take a deep breath and relax. #wagoneer
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    Image of Old Grimey Old Grimey
    10/24/09

    @Novaload: I was looking at a Saab Sonett III (now long gone) at my neighborhood St. Vincent DePaul car lot a while back, and I noticed a 1984 Jeep Grand Wagoneer parked next to it. I had to take a look, since I find them to be interesting.

    About the grilles on Grand Wagoneers, or at least the one I looked at: they appear to be made of vacuum-metalized plastic, since the "chrome" was peeling off and a dull black substance was visible underneath. So if this one had the same kind of grille that the one I looked at on the St. Vincent car lot had, no great loss. #wagoneer
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/24/09

    @skaycog: You seem familiar...how did you get in here? OK. Deep breath.....There. Much better.
    Thanks, I needed that! #wagoneer
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    10/24/09

    @Old Grimey: Sometimes the "chrome" is almost like thin tin foil, peels off like paper. A Hershey Kiss wrapper has more integrity. #wagoneer
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    Image of Tomsk sez so long Ash78, and thanks for all the fish! Tomsk sez so long Ash78, and thanks for all the fish!
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    So sad. There's just something so right about these, the '73-'91 Suburban and the last-gen International Scout Travelall...probably the fact that the spraytanned MILF set has long since moved onto the car-based psuedo-trucks, leaving these pure SUVs for those of us who can appreciate them. #wagoneer
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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    Amazing how the design was able to continue to sell, and be desirable and aggressively priced, for about thirty years with hardly any change. And then the highly successful Cherokee largely aped the form factor and sold like crazy for more than a decade. #wagoneer
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    Image of narf narf
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    As an owner of a Buick Roadmonster, I would never have thought that anyone would consider woodgrained vinyl siding as being cool. There's a reason why the WB4 option commanded such a premium on the used market ... and why my budget only allowed for one without that option.

    Then again, I wasn't even 30 when I bought the whale, so I guess my tastes are skewed. Now if it was fake carbon fiber vinyl siding ... #wagoneer
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    Maymar promoted this comment narf was starred narf was unstarred
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    10/24/09

    @narf: Woodgrain delete just seems wrong on a Roadmaster (admittedly, it's probably one of the few other vehicles built in the past 20 years that can pull it off). #wagoneer
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    Image of Zeusnemesis Zeusnemesis
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    I love the way AMC kept the same grille underlay sheet-metal since Willy's was making the series. Instead, they just jammed square headlights into the round holes. Very Jalop indeed! #wagoneer
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    10/24/09


    @Zeusnemesis: I never realized that the original front end of the Wagoneer lay undisturbed behind all those subsequent facelifts. It wouldn't be hard to convert a late Wagoneer back to the "tombstone-grille" original, which to me is the best looking of them all. #wagoneer
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    10/24/09

    @tonyola: They did this on the "Trucks" show on Spike TV (yeah, I watched it, don't judge). They only had to cut off the existing bezel tabs where everything screwed/bolted on, and weld on new ones. #wagoneer
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/24/09

    @LTDScott's work is getting in the way of Jaloptime: I won't judge you. There's that lull here on the east coast between 11 am and 12:30 or so on the weekends--what else ya gonna do?
    And these were such handsome beasts. "Honest about their truckness" indeed. Now they're all poseurs. #wagoneer
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/24/09

    @Novaload: Even new trucks pose. My late model Ram 4x4 has so much plastic up front, you'd think Pam Anderson's surgeon built it. #wagoneer
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    10/24/09

    @Alfisted: But if you hit something, y0u'll just bounce right off, right? Dual airbags. #wagoneer
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    Image of mobilene mobilene
    10/24/09

    @tonyola: I was astonished to see the original front end there, too! And props on the photo of the original two-door configuration. #wagoneer
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    10/24/09


    @mobilene: I didn't even realize I'd posted a picture of the two-door until you pointed it out. I was concentrating on getting a good photo of the grille. The two-doors are rare enough, but when was the last time you saw a Jeep Panel Delivery? #wagoneer
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    Image of mobilene mobilene
    10/24/09

    @tonyola: Didn't know they even made these in a panel delivery! #wagoneer
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    Image of Xelmon Xelmon
    10/25/09

    @tonyola:
    That looks like shit... :P #wagoneer
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    Sad seeing 'em 86 this '86. #wagoneer
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    Image of souldoubt88 souldoubt88
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    CANYONERO!!! #wagoneer
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    10/24/09

    @souldoubt88: 12 yards long, 2 lanes wide,
    65 tons of American pride! #wagoneer
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    "Simu-wood?" Wow. #wagoneer
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    Image of I was drivin' that Model A I was drivin' that Model A
    10/24/09

    In reply to One Of The Last AMC-Built Grand Wagoneers Heads To The Last Roundup
    Wow, a bona-fide Grand Wagoneer.

    This particular truck should have
    had a Cummins I6 dropped in it and a plow blade installed. A comfy snow plow with unlimited longevity

    IIRC, the woodgrain carried over to the Grand Cherokee for at least one year. It never looked "right", though.

    Solid axles, FTW!
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    Image of PHIL PHIL
    10/24/09

    @send lawyers, guns, and money: Yes, there was a Grand Wagoneer badged Grand Cherokee for 1993 and 94 I think, it came with the 5.2 V8 std, woodgrain and pillow leather seats. Remember there were also regular "Wagoneer" versions of the little Cherokee with woodgrain on the sides too. #wagoneer
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    Image of I was drivin' that Model A I was drivin' that Model A
    10/24/09

    @PHIL: Bingo. That's it.

    I was being brainwashed during a Town Hall "meeting" this morning, so I wasn't on my automobile historical trivia game.

    These so-called meetings, they're really sales pitches, brings out the weirdos on both sides.

    I had a '94 Limited w/the 318, and the pillow-top seats were shockingly comfy for both long-distance and off-road. Honestly, the Quadra-Trac, with no mods other than BFG A/T's, never stranded me, and I treated it like the Jeep it was.

    The baby Wagoneer was indeed the Cherokee, and they didn't sell many at all. #wagoneer
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    Image of PHIL PHIL
    10/24/09

    @send lawyers, guns, and money: There were a couple of variations of names in the Jeep line up, I remember when there was a "regular" Wagoneer, then the Grand Wagoneer and a Grand Wagoneer Limited(which was the woodgrained one), and of course the full-size Cherokee had the same things, there was a Chief, Chief S, Pioneer, Laredo,Limited, etc, there were Eagle Limiteds too....I remember my friends mom had a rocking 2 door Orange 79 or so, Cherokee Chief when I was a kid.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    10/12/09

    In reply to 1983 AMC Eagle: Too Far Ahead Of Its Time?
    Having taken my stock Volvo 244 down a washed-out road with a half-dozen three-to-four-inch puddles this afternoon, come to a stream, and turned around and repeated the feat back out... almost nobody needs four-wheel-drive, heh-heh-heh.

    That said, an AMC Concord that can be outfitted ridiculously like an XJ Cherokee is still, of course, awesome.

    The above photo is a forgotten local example. I hope someone with more money and skill than I have saves it.
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    Image of CptSevere CptSevere
    10/11/09

    In reply to 1983 AMC Eagle: Too Far Ahead Of Its Time?
    I knew a guy who had one of these in the mid nineties. We took that car to some pretty difficult places in Utah's West Desert, and it went to those places with aplomb. I think these used standard Jeep running gear, I know that they had straight front axles, so you could probably do interesting things to them as far as suspension, lockers, transfer cases and other standard jeepy modifications are concerned, and build one helluva competent off roader that would be unique as hell. Now, that would be fun.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    10/12/09

    @CptSevere: Nope. No straight front axle. the front diff mounts to the engine block (believe it or not) and it has halfshafts up front with CV joints outboard and tri-pot joints inboard like a FWD car. The front diff is a Dana 30 and the rear is a Dana 40. The auto trans is a Chrysler 902, the manual is a B-W T5 and the transfer case is either an NP 109, 209, or 219. All these parts are very common across the Jeep brand in the timeframe and very easy to upgrade.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    10/11/09

    In reply to 1983 AMC Eagle: Too Far Ahead Of Its Time?
    *Sob*

    Was it ever a great car? No way.

    But it was so much of what so many other manufacturers never tried to make. Cheerfully dipping into other makers' parts bins to acquire relatively neutral components, AMC economized to the hilt when building the Eagle. That left them more room in the budget to stuff in the difficult 4x4 bits. That's determination.

    I love the Eagle. I've never been one who fit neatly into a pigeonhole. I cross genres.

    Imagine how I could cross them in an Eagle.
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