Wow, they seem to be getting good numbers out of that V6, I was lamenting them dropping the V8, but if they are really getting more powah out of the 6 then go with it.
As a previous owner of a 2nd gen 4Runner (and a perennial fan of the 1st gen), I absolutely hated the 4th gen, I oft referred to it as the eunuch 4Runner, specifically designed for the discerning soccer mom who will never so much as take it over a curb (on purpose anyway)...
Glad to see they are going back in the other direction with it.
@Skink: I always thought that came from the fact the camera was dented? The only way to fix it is to have the dents pulled out of the camera casing, that should clear up the photos.
Toyota continues to suck Ray, all of their "cool" cars are just slightly modified versions of really boring cars. The only thing worth looking at is a short bed regular cab Tundra with the big V8, TRD supercharger and suspension; but that truck out the door is north of $50K.
Independent front suspension ruins it. If they wanted a real Trail Grade (sort of like Trail Rated ;) ), they should have included a front axle.
You just might has well buy a Jeep Liberty and get better gas mileage.
I would rather buy the $2,000 1964 International Scout but that's just me,
I do like the pictures though, I wonder if they decided to remove the hub caps or if all four were torn off along the way.
I'm a little disappointed that the SR5 doesn't come with full time 4x4 and center diff anymore - it's very convenient on my '05. Conversely, having good old-fashioned part-time 4wd and a real shift lever with neutral position is something that's been sorely lacking in "true" SUVs in recent years.
I like the gee-whiz off road features on the Trail model but an SR5 V6 should be just fine for my light four wheeling and towing needs. I'd be happy to pick up a used one in five years or so - I just wish it was a little smaller and lighter.
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Why they offer the 4-banger is a mystery. It gets 1mpg better than the 6.
Otherwise, I definitely like this better than the previous gen, which didn't offer a manual either, IIRC. The last one looked partially melted. This one's more butch.
I'd bet they retire the FJ Cruiser sometime in the next year or 2 and let the 4Runner carry the torch of "actually worth a damn offroad". When that day comes, it'd make my day to see the 4Runner get a manual again.
Hopefully the pictured rock rails are available from the factory. Looks like they're necessary.
@grzydj: It's a valid comparison to the FJ60. It's clearly not a 1st gen runner, but they won't ever go back to that. Nobody, but us enthusiasts, would buy it.
It's got the ugly Highlander nose and taillights, of course, but it's no worse than the current one otherwise. In fact, I'd say it's the first new Toyota that I don't dislike more than the preceding model for quite a while now. (Well, the Prius is improved a bit, I suppose.)
Interesting. The front approach angle could be significantly improved by removing that monstrous front clip/bumper and replacing it with a simple tube design. It appears to lend itself to that option pretty well. Of course, ARB will have an option, but those tend to reduce approach angles and increase the load on the front shocks.
Personally, I'm digging the looks. I see a LOT of influence from the FJ60. The windows, the doors, how it fits to the body. The slant of the quarter pannels, the flat roof lines. I don't like the front clip, but that would be removed any way. I think Toyota has moved away from the 1st gen 4runners and into the FJ60 realm. Which, is not a problem in my opinion. Those two vehicles both represent the love of my 4wheeling.
@leavethegun-takethecannoli: A buddy of mine with a 4Runner said that the V8 was basically for towing because the extra weight of the mill offset any gains that would be realized offroading. Since I doubt many people choose a 'Runner as a tow vehicle the V8 was a moot point considering how it appears Toyota is marketing this new version as a real offroader and not a luxo-SUV.
I don't like much about current Toyotas, but this I like. It's still a real truck with actual truck capabilities. Dig that "Party Mode" on the stereo system - great idea for tailgating!
Intriguing that the 4 cylinder and 4wd will be mutually exclusive. Sure there's the utility arguments, but I expect this will be leveraged to blur the fuel economy facts.
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As a previous owner of a 2nd gen 4Runner (and a perennial fan of the 1st gen), I absolutely hated the 4th gen, I oft referred to it as the eunuch 4Runner, specifically designed for the discerning soccer mom who will never so much as take it over a curb (on purpose anyway)...
Glad to see they are going back in the other direction with it.
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I hate it when my photos get dented.
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Independent front suspension ruins it. If they wanted a real Trail Grade (sort of like Trail Rated ;) ), they should have included a front axle.
You just might has well buy a Jeep Liberty and get better gas mileage.
I would rather buy the $2,000 1964 International Scout but that's just me,
I do like the pictures though, I wonder if they decided to remove the hub caps or if all four were torn off along the way.
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I'm a little disappointed that the SR5 doesn't come with full time 4x4 and center diff anymore - it's very convenient on my '05. Conversely, having good old-fashioned part-time 4wd and a real shift lever with neutral position is something that's been sorely lacking in "true" SUVs in recent years.
I like the gee-whiz off road features on the Trail model but an SR5 V6 should be just fine for my light four wheeling and towing needs. I'd be happy to pick up a used one in five years or so - I just wish it was a little smaller and lighter.
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Otherwise, I definitely like this better than the previous gen, which didn't offer a manual either, IIRC. The last one looked partially melted. This one's more butch.
I'd bet they retire the FJ Cruiser sometime in the next year or 2 and let the 4Runner carry the torch of "actually worth a damn offroad". When that day comes, it'd make my day to see the 4Runner get a manual again.
Hopefully the pictured rock rails are available from the factory. Looks like they're necessary.
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I'll keep my '85 from which this thing supposedly "evolved" from.
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No manual is a bummer for sure, though.
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It's also amazing how your eyes become accustomed to things, over time.
I thought the W124 Mercedes had one of the ugliest trunk/tail light combos when it came out.
I own one, now, and I kinda like it...though it did take 20 years to not hate it.
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Personally, I'm digging the looks. I see a LOT of influence from the FJ60. The windows, the doors, how it fits to the body. The slant of the quarter pannels, the flat roof lines. I don't like the front clip, but that would be removed any way. I think Toyota has moved away from the 1st gen 4runners and into the FJ60 realm. Which, is not a problem in my opinion. Those two vehicles both represent the love of my 4wheeling.
Lack of a solid axle is a minor letdown.
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What happened to the V8?
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