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petersterncan
05/19/09

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One thing to remember... when Euro 6 emissions get implemented (in 2015), any engine that passes Euro 6 effectively will pass California emissions.

So by the 2015 model year, don't be surprised if you see a big increase in diesel engine availability in cars.
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Six Flags Over Tomsk
05/20/09

@petersterncan: Assuming diesels don't die off in Europe as a result.
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danio3834
05/19/09

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On one hand they want to "help" the automakers, but with the other they stab them to death.
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Alex De Cordoba
05/19/09

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This is not a question of engineering. It is a question of what kind of world we want to live in and how we want to get there. Over the past 60+ years we've decided to let carmakers, oil companies & the highway lobby feed us the products and lifestyle that maximized their profit at our expense in terms of quality of life, environmental quality, and hours spent in traffic all in the name of "freedom." This freedom we speak of is actually a prison carefully crafted over many years and brainwashed into our minds. It will take time for the spell to wear off.
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beercheck
05/19/09

@Alex De Cordoba: Or not.
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MushyHeirloom
05/19/09

@Alex De Cordoba: This is Jalopnik. Did you take a wrong turn somewhere?
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Alex De Cordoba
05/19/09

@FstrPssycw: Anyone who lives in urban environments understands that status quo ain't gonna cut it. Traffic and pollution aren't inconveniences, they're deadly. I love cars as much as the next guy, but my passion for speed, performance and powerful cars cannot justify continuing down a path towards endless consumption of fossil fuels all for the sake of burnouts, donuts and general hoonery. At some point, we have to become responsible members of the world community. If a vehicle's purpose is to move us and our stuff from one place to another, lets figure out how to acheive those goals without the negatives of pollution, traffic, sprawl, highway expansion, etc... If the goal of a vehicle is to stir your passion, acknowledge that is a luxury, not a right.
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MushyHeirloom
05/19/09

@Alex De Cordoba and Akbar Biberkopf: You are right, both of you. Efficient commuter if you live far from work, gas-guzzling beast for weekends. Assuming you can afford both, of course.
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beercheck
05/20/09

@Alex De Cordoba: But, c'mon. Your first assertion was more conspiracy-theoretical than even Hillary or my right-wing acquaintances bother me with. I'm not even sure I'm exaggerating.
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beercheck
05/19/09

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The Chinese will have the answer.
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KingStephenR
05/19/09

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Any way you guys could run this list again, but do so only with the European offerings of each of these companies?

Seems to me that they're probably already there, or damn close to it.
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Six Flags Over Tomsk
05/20/09

@KingStephenR: Even if that's the case, it still makes more sense to hold fast on our tougher emissions and crash safety regs and force these automakers to develop vehicles specifically for our market.

*slap* Sorry, where was I? And why do I suddenly feel like going on a "fact-finding" trip to Jamaica?
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sos10
05/19/09

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Just for fun, try to do the same calculations with European brands, using only the models they sell in Europe....
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Elhigh
05/19/09

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Subaru sells a truck?

Don't say Baja. And for Honda don't anybody freakin say Ridgeline. That isn't a truck. It's a tall car for poseurs.

Beating the 27mpg standard for light trucks should be no trouble. Anytime I can't squeeze at least 27 out of my truck, I wonder what's wrong.
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drewdrawsLA
05/19/09

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BMW does have a fantastic array of mild-hybrids and awesome diesels in Europe that for some reason they haven't yet brought the US. Obviously, that will be changing, and I'm pretty happy about it to be honest.

Hate CAFE all you want and I won't argue, but in my experience, engineers, designers, and bean counters respond best to unrealistic constraints, not unlimited freedom.
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MushyHeirloom
05/19/09

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Mmhmm. Seems funny how trucks are so close, yet cars are so far.

I guess a Taurus is going to be a truck now, right? Because it's nearly as truckish as an HHR. Which, incidentally, is that new truck-based Cobalt.

Wait, no it isn't.
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B1663R
05/19/09

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how am i suppose to "buy 'merican" when Toyota and Honda make way more fuel efficient cars?

Why has Obama wronged you Americans* so?

*me, of course, being a Canadian, will more than likely see his Canadian government fold faster that Superman on Laundry day once this reform comes a rollin' around these here northern parts.
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engineerd
05/19/09

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This wouldn't be a big deal if we weren't overly restrictive on diesel emissions. However, since carmakers can't easily bring diesel vehicles from Europe and sell them in the US then this is just

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Ash78, cube farmer
05/19/09

@engineerd: You pretty much summed it up. When Euro standards have been tightened over the years, Europe responded by making some really great diesel engines. This is starting to shift, but it was a perfect stop-gap for them.

If only our lawmakers hadn't already screwed us out of those.

So maybe things will change and I can add that to my prediction list: #4--Diesel standards are relaxed and fuel subsidies help to lower the price of the fuel, easing pump paing for both consumers and long-distance cargo carriers (the backbone of the economy).

Pipe dreams. Now I have to leave the thread before my blood boils any more.
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sos10
05/19/09

@Ash78: No, I think going back to diesels makes no sense for the US, it is a waste of time. Europe is starting to move away from diesel and by the time they will be electric only, the US would still be trying to get diesel popular.. better skip the diesel train and go electric like the rest of the world will do in the next decade.
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Six Flags Over Tomsk
05/20/09

@Ash78: With CARB doing Obama's homework for him, I'm going to go on record right now and predict that by midnight on January 1, 2020, you won't be able to buy a new compression ignition engine in the United States, miraculous algaediesel that can fill all our transportation needs be damned.
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Rocking a turbodiesel with stick
05/19/09

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Appliances here we come indeed!!!
F*ck this is not the change we all intended to head for. If this is going to be the case we are all going to be driving priuses and driving a lifted f-350 is going to be a crime punishable by jailtime

United Soviet America! here we come!
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JDisnidiet
05/19/09

@This jalop does not have a name: I think this is precisely the change that people wanted. The state knows what we need and want, and those who disagree can go live in Sweden or somewhere.
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MushyHeirloom
05/19/09

@JDisnidiet: Sweden. Where my rear-drive, low-20s-MPG, airbagless sedan hails from.
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
05/19/09

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Give the masses the Priuses and Volts.

I'll stick to my alternative modes of transport, which are fuel efficient enough for me.
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Sloop_John_B
05/19/09

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Ferrari-
2009 Fleet Fuel Economy Rating: Who gives a fuck

Distance From 2016 Fleet Fuel Economy Rating: 500 HP, 8 cylinders and a whole lotta who gives a shit.

2009 Light Truck Fleet Fuel Economy Rating: What the fuck did you say?

Distance From 2016 Light Truck Fuel Economy Rating: n/a

Barriers To Meeting New Fuel Economy Ratings: Fuck off.
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Six Flags Over Tomsk
05/20/09

@Sloop_John_B: Bellisima!
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the good dr zero
05/20/09

@Sloop_John_B: Maybe an infinite MPG on the truck side lets them get away with whatever they want with the cars?
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KingPsyz here for HappyFunKingPsyz©
05/19/09

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Well considering it's 7 years away and some of the leaps and bounds they've made recently in efficency I don't see this being a problem.

Keep in mind while there's a place for trucks, gas isn't going to stay cheap forever and many who buy trucks now don't "need" a truck and would be better off looking at a car with better mileage.

The financial situation of those who contuned making large trucks and SUVs prove that they need to start making changes or die off regardless.
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mikedrawcar
05/19/09

@PSN: kingpsyz: yes, it's 7 years away, but those vehicles are currently being designed. that's the production cycle. So basically they're asking them to start over right now, and make a 10mpg improvement by the middle of next year.
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MushyHeirloom
05/19/09

@PSN: kingpsyz: Large trucks and SUVs? Like the Mercedes-Benz G/GL? The Toyota Tundra, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, and Highlander, as well as their Lexus equivalents? The Honda Ridgeline and Pilot? The Nissan Titan and Armada and Infiniti QX56?

Which companies were we talking about, again?
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MushyHeirloom
05/19/09

@FstrPssycw: I forgot Pathfinder. Major omission.
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