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    2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced

    HOV-Lane Hybrid Smackdown, Buckeye Edition

    Detroit Auto Show: Saturn Vue 2 Mode Hybrid

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    GO DIESELS!


    If they could give last year's award to ginormous body-on-frame SUVs, then surely they can give this year's to a small, clean diesel sedan...can't they?

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    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    What, No H3? I thought I'd never....
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    Image of jaydez jaydez
    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    My take on it:


    Diesel, yes gives great milage but it way too expensive in most places and still pollutes quite a bit. So no BMW or VW


    The Smart still doesn't get great milage for its size and its practical outside an urban area. That and it's only 2 seats so not practical for a family either.


    The Vue is just another Hybrid SUV which has been done a dozen times already.


    The Fusion is a reskin of the surrent one but is promising in terms of milage and technology (like the SmartGauge).


    I think the Fusion is going to take it.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    10/30/08

    @jaydez: I don't have any figures to back it up, but the new Jetta TDI uses offshoot technology from the joint MBZ-VW BlueTec project. My understanding is that these new "clean diesels" are geared towards getting the lowest emissions rating possible, other than PZEV, for which they're not eligible as that requires "partially zero", which means that sometimes it's not emitting anything. The goal, if I recall, was to create diesels that actually produced fewer total emissions than a hybrid when both are used in normal day-to-day use. That, and it's simpler technology than a hybrid, which I like, because it seems like everything I own breaks down all the time.


    If I'm wrong, and someone can correct me, feel free, my internet tubes are all cloggy today.


    Can't argue with you about diesel being too expensive right now, it's still over a buck a litre here in Canada when regular is down to 93 cents in some places.

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    Image of patrickmurray patrickmurray
    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    Do you mean you'll be pulling for the 2010 Ford Fusion, or is the Mustang also part of this?


    I vote for the BMW. Their chassis work is pretty much in a league of its own, coupled with diesel torque...seems nice to me.

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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    10/31/08

    @patrickmurray: It's a joke. Even being a hardcore engineering dork I have a hard time getting excited about hybrids.
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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    Two cars we can't even buy yet...a Saturn cute-ute...a fashion accessory for urbanistas...and a normal car.


    Call me a fanboi, but the Jetta really ought to win this one.

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    10/30/08

    @Ash78: You must admit the BMW has done well,that's a powerful car & it wont hurt the lungs of a butterfly.
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    10/30/08

    @layabout: Butterflies don't have lungs.
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    10/30/08

    @layabout: No doubt about it...except BMW diesel doesn't even exist in the USA (yet).
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    10/30/08

    @Mad_Science: Then they wont get hurt ;)
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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    I don't get how the Smart fortwo belongs on that list
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    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    $50 bucks on the TDI
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    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    So is the Ford in the picture displaying the new vegetable slicer style grilles?
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    10/30/08

    In reply to 2009 Green Car Of The Year Finalists Announced
    That's it. I'm staring my own publication so people will give me stuff to evaluate in hopes of winning my awards.


    Look for the inaugural online edition of Beer, Steak and Horsepower Journal next month!

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    10/30/08

    @Mad_Science: I'd like to offer my services as a one of your European correspondents.
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    Image of Roast Beef longs for the 22R-TE Roast Beef longs for the 22R-TE
    10/30/08

    @Mad_Science: As a beer, steak and horsepower aficionado I am waiting with bated breath.
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    10/30/08

    @Roast Beef: I can't wait for the Beer, Steak and Horsepower Swimsuit edition.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    10/30/08

    @vwminispeedster hearts CITROENs: I vote for swimsuits made entirely of beer.
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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    10/30/08

    @Deartháir: Seconded.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    10/30/08

    @Deartháir: And by the way, Mr. Science, allow me to toss up a COTD nomination for that one. I actually LOL'd.
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