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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    I've noticed this and the SkyDeck concept share the same schnozz...if this is the future corporate grille of Honda, I'm all for it; not because it's particularly attractive, but because it's consistent. Honda is all over the friggin' place with their disjointed designs right now. #hondacrz
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    Image of Decisive Decisive
    10/21/09

    @bmoreDLJ: I don't see why you have to have all of the cars from a single brand look exactly the same. For me I reference music albums or paintings by the same artist. Creating a design identity is nice, but having all of your paintings look the same is rather boring. In the case of an album, I find the ones that are very singular stylisticly to feel like filler, while albums that incorporate different styles are rather fun to listen to over and over again well into the future.

    Conformity within a brand should only be important when your product does not have enough panache and soul to stand on its own and therefore must rely on the mother brand to be noticed. That is the problem with most cars is that they lack soul b/c they are so monotonous. Despite the criticisms of the Challenger and other American muscle cars, they are perfect examples of cars that can stand on their own without the recognition of their original manufacturer. A good example of failure is the GTO; no soul in that design... #hondacrz
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    10/21/09

    @Decisive: My favorite lines...Audi, Cadillac, Nissan/Infiniti, Peugeot/Citroen...they're all quite conformist from top to bottom. Which is how I likes it. You're right in that not only does Honda strive for difference with their models, but even their marketing is individualistic in style from model to model. Just personal preference. Nice analogy to music albums, though. #hondacrz
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    Image of avconsumer2 avconsumer2
    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    What?!! A hybrid with a butt-ugly ass?!!?! (no pun intended) WEEEIIIRRRD!?

    Seriously, is there a rule that hybrids have to have aesthetically horrible rears? Does ugly increase efficiency exponentially somehow? #hondacrz
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    10/21/09


    @avconsumer2: It's called a kammback, they do it for aerodynamic purposes, unfortunately, nobody has figured out how to make it attractive since the Daytona coupe. #hondacrz
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! was starred Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car! was unstarred
    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    10/21/09

    @Psiu! Puxa!: You're right, Mopar or no car!: Opel once had some nice Kamm tails. #hondacrz
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    10/21/09


    @Psiu! Puxa!: I stand edumacated... but still... yeesh. Also... I'd forgotten (guess it's been quite a while since I've seen one,) the heritage - to obviously include the CRX. (der) #hondacrz
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    The CR-X was one of the best-handling FWD cars of its generation. How can the CR-Z match this by both weighing more and hauling around chunky battery pack? How can it match even the Civic Si? Why not hybridize a practical car, like the Element, a car that desperately needs to get better than 25 mpg? Or the CR-V? Both of these could benefit from some low-rpm torque.

    The only one that makes sense is the 2nd-gen Insight, and apparently that car is a dud. #hondacrz
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    10/21/09

    @brandegee: Just like the RSX matched the handling of its older and lighter predecessor, the Integra.

    It can be done, and with few exceptions (T230 Celica, Cobalt SS), all of the best-handling FWD cars carry the Honda badge. #hondacrz
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    10/21/09

    @brandegee: The CR-V doesn't need a hybrid - it already comes with a very good modern diesel.
    Stick the diesel into the element and I'd be interested - I like the weirdness of it. #hondacrz
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    10/21/09

    @MR42HH: In the U.S. it gets a single motor, the 2.4 gasoline version. It's got plenty of power for most purposes, but for just 166 hp the mileage isn't great. #hondacrz
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    10/21/09

    @pauljones: True, if anyone can make a fine handling FWD hybrid, it would be Honda. But just drive a Civic Hybrid and a Civic Coupe (not even an Si!) back to back and it's amazing the difference between the two cars. One is fun and one is not.

    I'm just questioning Honda's mission with this car.

    As for style, I'm really liking it. #hondacrz
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    Done right, they won't be able to build enough of them. I'm quite pleased that it occurred to somebody manufacturing cars that 'Hybrid' does not necessarily have to mean 'soul-sucking appliance.'

    ...granted, we'll have to wait and see how this actually pans out. #hondacrz
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    Man, I'll be happy when the angles and seams era of auto design passes.

    BTW, I love you all this morning. Must be Jalop Valentine's Day. #hondacrz
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    Image of takeshi takeshi
    10/21/09

    @Alfisted: Seem dubious to assume that the next set of design fads are going to be better... #hondacrz
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/21/09

    @takeshi: I expect that we'll see a move toward more organic forms, which suits me fine so long as everything does not end up looking like a Prius. #hondacrz
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    Image of Decisive Decisive
    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    A fun hybrid eventually had to happen. There is nothing inherently wrong with hybrid systems as a mode of creating power for your vehicles. What is a shame is with the addition of a hybrid system you raise the price of this vehicle several thousand dollars putting it out of market for people looking for fun and cheap transportation. If Honda could just ditch the battery and offer this in an EX trim or Si, I think the ricer crowd and college students would have something they could really enjoy! #hondacrz
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    Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet promoted this comment Edited by Decisive at 10/21/09 8:07 AM Decisive was starred Decisive was unstarred
    Image of Novaload Novaload
    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    The front looks great; when are they going to finish the back? #hondacrz
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    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    "While details are sparse on production plans, we're particularly interested to see how or if Honda plans on integrating a manual transmission with a hybrid system or will just go with a gasoline/manual as standard and hybrid/automatic for the premo model. We'll just have to wait and see. "

    From PR:

    "The CR-Z Concept 2009 is the world's first hybrid vehicle equipped with a six-speed manual transmission. Together with a 1.5-liter i-VTEC engine the vehicle will create completely new value by combining the fun of driving and outstanding fuel economy."
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    Novaload promoted this comment Edited by OG_ at 10/21/09 7:18 AM OG_ was starred OG_ was unstarred
    Image of stephdumas stephdumas
    10/21/09

    In reply to New Honda CR-Z Concept Steps Closer To Production, Gets Manual Transmission
    Look promising, however I had a bad feeling then Honda might be tempted to cut some corners, like they did with the Insight who was critisized by Jeremy Clarkson. Time to knock on wood.... #hondacrz
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    10/21/09

    @stephdumas: I would hope it does cut corners. #hondacrz
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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    09/11/09

    In reply to The Official Ford Scorpion Diesel Engine Mascot. No, We're Not Kidding.

    In other news, Chevy is bringing back the Big Block:
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    Image of M4XVLTG3 makes rotary love M4XVLTG3 makes rotary love
    09/10/09

    In reply to The Official Ford Scorpion Diesel Engine Mascot. No, We're Not Kidding.
    Its official. Ford artwork is produced after a night of toking up and listening to Judas Priest
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    Image of new22003 new22003
    09/10/09

    In reply to The Official Ford Scorpion Diesel Engine Mascot. No, We're Not Kidding.
    For those about to torque! we salute you.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    09/10/09

    @new22003: Ford really should troll Jalopnik for new marketing slogans.
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    Image of TheGuinnessTooth TheGuinnessTooth
    09/10/09

    In reply to The Official Ford Scorpion Diesel Engine Mascot. No, We're Not Kidding.
    The stinger is flesh colored... it looks like a dick.
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    Image of acarr260 acarr260
    09/10/09

    @TheGuinnessTooth: Wow, thanks for pointing that out. I'll never look at that logo the same way again...
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    Image of philibuster philibuster
    09/10/09

    @TheGuinnessTooth: They're gonna drive it up Toyota's ass.
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    Image of FormerlyPreferredCustomer FormerlyPreferredCustomer
    09/10/09

    In reply to The Official Ford Scorpion Diesel Engine Mascot. No, We're Not Kidding.

    I can't wait to see the mascot for the Mustang's Coyote V-8.

    May I suggest something inspired by this?
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    09/10/09

    In reply to The Official Ford Scorpion Diesel Engine Mascot. No, We're Not Kidding.
    1) Offer this engine in the Econoline
    2) Paint this as a mural on the side
    3) Profit!!!
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