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    Image of HoonThatFerrari HoonThatFerrari
    11/24/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    You know, the engineers have stressed how musical their new engine sounds, and I think they're right...
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    Image of ProstWest ProstWest
    11/23/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    3750 bills might better be accomodated in the more capacious whale-penis leather Seaman's Duffel.
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    Image of bmoreDLJ bmoreDLJ
    11/23/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    I dare an owner to stick a big decal on the hood of an Italian chef kissing his pinched fingers, because in white this thing is starting to remind me of an ultra-futuristic pizza box.

    Maybe I need lunch.
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    Image of snapoversteer 'bout to get told snapoversteer 'bout to get told
    11/23/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    There's an incredibly boring and arcane legal argument about how to characterize "leases" like these. I'll skip the details, but the relevant questions are:

    1) Whether Lexus can make the "lease" nontransferrable (to achieve the anti-speculative effect); and
    2) What happens when a bankruptcy court (or other forum) has to rule on what the "lessee" actually owns.

    I'm sure Lexus has great lawyers who already thought of these issues, but I question whether this is a workable arrangement and whether it will have the desired effect.
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    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    11/23/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    Who killed the LFA?
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    11/23/09

    @FTGDWolverineEdition'09: As per Frankenstein, it had to be alive first.
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    11/23/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    My garage is full.
    No thanks.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    11/23/09

    @skaycog was here: I am Jalopnik. My garage is full.
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    11/23/09

    @VeeArrrSix: That's better!
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    11/23/09

    @skaycog was here: or "full of El Caminos, Volvos, E30 BMW's, a 95 Ford CF7000 Rollback, and one supercharged Jaguar"
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    11/23/09

    @VeeArrrSix: Lucky you....quite an array of neat vehicles! Alas, in this life, all I have is my Explorer.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    11/23/09

    @skaycog was here:

    I wish! One VeeDub, one Olds in mine.

    Thats the Jalop meme garage.
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    11/23/09

    @VeeArrrSix: Ha! I thought "jeez, this guy has big bucks....what's he doing here?" That swished right over my head.....I need some coffee or sumpthin. ;)
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    Image of Electro Gyrocator Electro Gyrocator
    11/23/09

    @skaycog was here: There's plenty of room on the lawn for the LFA.
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    11/23/09

    @Electro Gyrocator: My lawn is full.
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    Image of beercheck beercheck
    11/23/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    According to my math, this post has just slightly less than nil relevance to my life.

    Rightly or wrongly, I'm going to go ahead and file that away as a good thing.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/23/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA, Lease Or Buy: The Full Story
    There will still be a line out the door to lease it, so for Toyota, it's a win/win.

    They still control the ultimate destiny of the car.
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    Image of Clown Shoe Pilot Clown Shoe Pilot
    11/04/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA In Matte Black Shows Off Coolest Carbon Fiber Bit
    now... will you have to PROVE you own an LFA to get a replacement CF hood prop, or will any schmuck (like me) with several hundred dollars be able to walk into their friendly lexus parts dept and buy one? #lexuslfa
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    11/04/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA In Matte Black Shows Off Coolest Carbon Fiber Bit
    Gas struts are totally the wrong thing for this car. For one thing, you can't easily make one in carbon fiber. But here's the clincher:

    Gas struts wear out. Just sitting around they slowly lose their charge over time. That's physics, can't change it. And just sitting around, the prop rod keeps on being a prop rod. It weighs about the same as a single gas strut - a carbon fiber one probably weighs less - and right there you've got a weight savings. One prop rod displaces two heavy, fallible gas struts.

    Is a prop rod fallible? Sure. It can rust into nothingness - oops, not this one. It can bend and break under load - oops, you'd have to do something stupid, like bend the car around a phone pole to do that. It can pop out of the catch hole and drop the hood on your head - oops, that's gonna leave a mark. But with $400K invested, you're probably not going to lift the hood outside of your climate-controlled, hermetically sealed, Mafia insured eighteen-space garage. So no wind. The Mafia wouldn't allow it.

    At 88 miles an hour, the two solenoid cases pop out of the Alien intake and start eating the oil coolers. #lexuslfa
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    11/04/09

    @Elhigh:

    +1 on the gas struts.

    Nothing like having marginal ones and finding today was the day it was too cool to hold the hood up when a 2 mph breeze touched it.

    /learned not to place hand in hood's travel without a broomstick as a backup hood prop...the hard way #lexuslfa
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    Image of Ryanrule Ryanrule
    11/04/09

    @Elhigh: I am willing to bet I would have to replace this entire care before I had to replace the gas struts.

    Supercars are NOT reliable.
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    Image of brandegee brandegee
    11/05/09

    @Ryanrule: I agree. If made well, gas struts last many, many years. And they are cheap.

    This was done for weight alone. And it passed the cost-benefit analysis algorithm that Toyota doubtless subject the entire car to. #lexuslfa
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    Image of Ryanrule Ryanrule
    11/05/09

    @brandegee: I cant see how this was done for weight. Look at all the extraneous weight inside the car. #lexuslfa
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    Image of P161911 probably shoudn't have P161911 probably shoudn't have
    11/04/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA In Matte Black Shows Off Coolest Carbon Fiber Bit
    The Lexus engineering manager is going to be pissed when he finds out what happened to his golf club shaft. #lexuslfa
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    Image of Ryanrule Ryanrule
    11/04/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA In Matte Black Shows Off Coolest Carbon Fiber Bit
    No gas struts on a 400k car?

    pfft
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    P161911 probably shoudn't have promoted this comment Ryanrule was starred Ryanrule was unstarred
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    11/04/09

    @Ryanrule: Any car that cost more than $20k shouldn't have a prop rod. That is one of the things that really pissed me off about the wife's Trailblazer, a $34k (sticker) vehicle that uses a damn metal broom stick to hold up the hood. I've driven GM vehicles built from 1973-2004 and it is the only one that can't hold the hood up. Even the lowly G-bodies got proper hood hinges with springs. #lexuslfa
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    11/04/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA In Matte Black Shows Off Coolest Carbon Fiber Bit
    I have not seen a matte black car that I liked. IMO, the awesome cars in this video are unawesome because of the matte black. #lexuslfa
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    Image of tekamul tekamul
    11/04/09

    @skaycog: I'm personally a fan of the matte black look. Mainly because I can apply it with a rattle can to my freshly ground, previously rusted 1991 civic hatchback.

    Civic dx?

    Is there any other kind, baby? #lexuslfa
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    11/04/09

    @tekamul: It would look better than rust. I like the matte blue on certain cars, like the '34 Ford posted here last evening. #lexuslfa
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    Image of livinlvis livinlvis
    11/24/09

    @skaycog was here: doesn't matte paint scratch really easily?
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    Image of skaycog skaycog
    11/24/09

    @livinlvis: I don't know about the scratching easily. I think matte paint is still in its babyhood with improvements being made. I've heard that it's easy to spray on, but hard to keep the matte finish. We'll see if it's just a fad, or an everlasting thing.

    #tips
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    11/24/09

    @skaycog was here: oh, fad for sure if you ask me.

    #tips
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    Image of powermatic powermatic
    11/04/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA In Matte Black Shows Off Coolest Carbon Fiber Bit
    I guess that looks nice-but if I was buying a 400k car I'd expect a bit higher tec to hold up the hood than the CF version of a broom stick. This is like having forged titanium handles for your hand-cranked windows. #lexuslfa
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    Image of ProstWest ProstWest
    11/04/09

    @powermatic: Do you want luxury or performance? Ask an F40 owner why he's pulling a rope to open his door. #lexuslfa
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    11/04/09

    @ProstWest: An F40 owner is tugging his rope because he bought and paid for a racing car with license plates, i.e. virtually no human comforts that might sully the power/weight ratio. Plexiglass windows (the early models had sliding door windows), no sound deadening, no carpeting, no power steering or brakes, full racing seats, and etc.-basically no amenities other than AC.

    The LFA is designed for and marketed to someone looking for high performance as well as all the highest-tech and greatest creature comforts that his 400,000.00 can buy. Your analogy is like comparing a Veyron to a Le Mans Prototype. Other than that, it was....perfect. #lexuslfa
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    11/04/09

    @powermatic: No, my analogy was like comparing an ultra high performance street car to an ultra high performance street car. Is it perfect to invoke the zenith of Maranello's efforts when discussing a car from the company that brought us the Paseo? Likely not, but let's face it- the Toyota buyer who just left 400 large at the dealership is not checking his own washer fluid. Therefore the engineers made a smart, easy decision and spec'ed the epitome of lightweight engine-bay access technology: the prop rod. Enzo's boys came to the same conclusion, albeit as part of a package that compromised a great deal more than the LFA in areas that actually affect the driver's comfort. #lexuslfa
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    11/04/09

    @ProstWest: Please carry on Circular Reasoning.

    vaya con dios #lexuslfa
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    Image of ProstWest ProstWest
    11/04/09

    @powermatic: All right, let me try again, with your gracious encouragement. The car should have a prop rod because it's faster that way. The prospective owner is not negatively impacted by economizing both weight and expenditure in this design area. #lexuslfa
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    11/04/09

    In reply to Lexus LFA In Matte Black Shows Off Coolest Carbon Fiber Bit

    Wow. #lexuslfa
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