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grzydj
08/31/09

In reply to From Vulgar Display Of Power Stroke To Sounds Of Silence
People who buy these trucks don't care if they're quiet or not. I mean, the first thing they're going to do is gut the catalytic converter system and put a Banks kit on it, which will basically make it about as loud as a semi truck.
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diskreet
08/31/09

@grzydj: They should really just buy a sign that says "I have no penis" instead. Much cheaper... same result.
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ptschett
09/01/09

@diskreet: Or "I like it when people get respiratory diseases and die young". Diesel particulate emissions are a significant health hazard which would be greatly reduced if people would just let the 2007 and 2010 compliant systems do their job.
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Flathead Smith
09/01/09

@ptschett: "Diesel particulate emissions are a significant health hazard"
According to whom?

Unless your breathing directly out the tailpipe there is no risk, remember "dilution is a solution."

Who are you quoting here with the statement "("I like it when people get respiratory diseases and die young")"? I don’t remember anyone saying that.
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ptschett
09/01/09

@Flathead Smith: You don't have to be breathing straight from the tailpipe to have increased rates of respiratory trouble... here's an article discussing a study in the San Francisco bay area, for example. [www.sfgate.com]

Not quoting anyone in particular, just saying that tampering with diesel emissions control systems is not necessarily victimless (since the great-grandparent post referred to cutting off the catalysts.)
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Flathead Smith
09/01/09

@ptschett: First of all any environmental study or article that comes from California is severely suspect in regard to outright blatant bias.

I bet the report does not in any way speak of the millions of lives that are vastly improved by the burning of diesel fuel.
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ptschett
09/01/09

@Flathead Smith: I'm one of those millions, my whole working life has been either operating diesel machines or designing them. But its not like CARB and EPA are just coming up with these requirements to make the vehicle or machine users' lives miserable. A parallel example is off-highway Tier 4 which has a 40:1 health cost benefit:added machine cost ratio (see bottom of page: [www.epa.gov] )
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Flathead Smith
09/01/09

@ptschett: If CARB and the EPA did not issue new requirements, or reduced the burden of existing regulations, what would be the point of their existence? Their funding would decrease, or not increase at as fast a rate, if they did that. They are incentivized to continually generate more stringent and burdensome regulations. The regulations cost them nothing compared to short term gain they receive, even though it is strangling Californian’s, and too a lesser extent the rest of the countries, ability to compete.

I can guarantee you that if the agencies budget were based on reducing regulations, there would be no regulations at all.
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DieselDutchman
09/01/09

@ptschett:
Hate to poke holes in the study but it's fundamentally flawed with only one of the conclusions drawn in the first few lines. It mentions PORT facility. As in ships. Ships (most) run on No. 6 or No. 5 diesel, as in RFO, which is basically asphalt (without the sand and rock) or tar. This stuff /does/ leave some nasty ash behind as to which anyone who leaves their auto in a car park in Rotterdam can attest. No.2 which is used in autos has a much lower particulate count and a much lower sulphur count in specific. Cutting a long pet-chem lecture short, any auto diesel newer than Euro II spec (pretty much anything used where leaded petrol is NOT sold) is quite clean and is not a particulate problem as days of old. The big particulate problem is ships and trains, and yes, there are laws on the books going into play to address those issues.
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ptschett
09/01/09

@DieselDutchman: Their study did find that 70% of the risk was from the truck traffic. Thanks for the background on the ships though, I knew they were dirty but didn't know they were that nasty.
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DieselDutchman
09/01/09

@ptschett: After time to read the entire paper, the model they use is still flawed. The model doesn't state that it takes into account BIN 5 fuel standards (somewhere between Euro IV and Euro V but with less cetane) or rely on modeled data based on new few standards or better fuel quality standards. It is like saying fuel quality or burn quality is never going to be better than it was in 2005. I also must question the model without the source methods of calculations being readily published (I couldn't find the programme or calculation). For example, one only need to go to LANL to get the full methodology for atomic modeling. I also don't see atmospheric chemistry being factored in with any major capacity.
Also the study paper uses a lot of terms like "may" and "suspect". In my branch of the sciences, a study holds much more water when terms such as "most probable [cause]" or "confirmed [through evidence cited]" or the like. For the sake of comparison of studies, compare this study in read with an US NTSB or UK AAIB air crash investigation.
The bottom line is that diesel 'soot' is much better than coal 'soot' and that our forefathers would have died exclusively of lung cancer in their 20's from coal fired 'everything' in the industrial revolution if soot were as dangerous as it was made out to be. Either that, or somehow diesel 'soot' is inherently more dangerous in North America.
Thanks for an interesting read!
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Flathead Smith
09/02/09

@DieselDutchman: I said earlier "First of all any environmental study or article that comes from California is severely suspect in regard to outright blatant bias."

It’s much easier when one looks to the source and its history of deceit and dismiss it as a bucketful of lies, than actually reading the thing. Sadly with most of the major news outlets and many studies paid for with taxes, this policy of mine can be used very successfully.

Thanks for reading it though.
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Flathead Smith
08/31/09

In reply to From Vulgar Display Of Power Stroke To Sounds Of Silence
I prefer the rattle from one large mechanical injection.
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Flathead Smith
08/31/09

Or should it be?

I prefer the rattle from one large mechanical injector.

I'm going with injection.
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stinkycatfish
08/31/09

@Flathead Smith: I think that there is only one injector per cylinder, so your first instinct is right.

(Pretty sure there isn't one injector for the entire engine.)
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Flathead Smith
08/31/09

@stinkycatfish: Some vehicles only have one large injector, but then have a rotary fuel distributor (6.2 GM diesel); others have individual mechanical injectors for each cylinder (old style 2 stroke Detroit Diesel). The electronic versions usually have individual electronic injectors similar to gasoline port injectors. There are some electronic units that had one fuel injector with a fuel distributor (I think the later 6.5 GM diesel).
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John Krewson
08/31/09

@Flathead Smith: Too late, Mr. Large Mechanical Injection Lover.
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stinkycatfish
09/01/09

@Flathead Smith: I just looked around, I guess I shouldn't make assumptions based on what what makes sense instinctivley to me.

I should also remember how diesel engines work and have always had injectors...
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Mad_Science
08/31/09

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"There's two pilot injections to quiet the engine that also help prepare for the main (third) injection. After the main injection, two more injections can be added as needed. The first for a little extra torque and the second — on the far end — for kicking off"

Wow.

Out of context, that sounds really dirty.

...or fun...
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that ain't the way to have fun, son
08/31/09

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Honestly, the first time I thought I heard a VW TDI, the small one (Jetta size), I thought, "WOW!", and spun around to look at it.

It was a mid-to-late '80's Taurus which was beat-to-hell.

I've since heard a VW, and it's even quieter than that heap-O-Taurus.
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Ash78, cube farmer
08/31/09

In reply to Ford's "Scorpion" Power Stroke Diesel V8: Live And In Living Color!
Are they beta testing it as a janitor's pressure washer?
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Novaload
04/27/09

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So how was this shot got? Sitting on the fender?
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If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
04/27/09

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Why are they already restyling this thing?
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engineerd
04/27/09

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Now if I can only get some leather-wrapped wife goodness.
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Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
04/27/09

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More leather than a Bike Night at the Starting Gate in Los Alamitos.
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Jo Schmo
04/27/09

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Why are they still making large, 4-door long bed trucks in 2wd?
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Pessimippopotamus
04/27/09

@Jø Schmø: Plus, they're awesome to look at in the rain.
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A strolling player got drunk and
04/27/09

@Jø Schmø: All these reasons are true.

In addition, much poseurs buy them.
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my favorite car is a motorcycle
03/25/09

In reply to 2011 Ford F-Series Super Duty: Big Upgrade For A Big Truck
One would think that something named "Super Duty" would be oriented toward work, not some pretty chrome-laden kid hauler. This hardly appears like a truck at all.

Ford needs to do the right things in the right order:

1) Update the Ranger

2) cancel all Lincoln truck rebadge jobs and special "King Ranch" and "Eddie Bauer", "Tonka", and "Super Chief" editions. They're really not worth the effort.

3) offer two distinctly differentiated trim levels of F-series trucks: one for Work, one for Luxury. simplified configurations (e.g., no 6-foot bed option with the Work-level trim).

4) implement smarter engine management to save fuel -- a manually activated economy mode that cuts fuel to cylinders when not towing or hauling; an engine auto-stop like the BMW 1-series, or whatever it takes to get ahead of the next fuel crisis.

5) for light-duty models (F150), REDUCE THE WEIGHT. Drop the useless chrome trim and cushy appointments. A truck should NOT be a rolling living room.

6) Don't cancel manual transmissions. Offer at least one powertrain that goes all-out for fuel economy. There are many truck owners who carry low-density cargo - need the volume, but don't want or need towing the torque of a huge V8 w/auto tranny.

7) Big and bold is one thing (necessary for street credibility, we all know) but being an aerodynamic brick isn't necessary. Ford has been proudly advertising how the 2009 F150 has the lowest aerodynamic Cd in its class -- now how about cutting down the wind noise and bringing the Cd down about 20% on the Super Duty?
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RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
03/25/09

@my favorite car is a motorcycle:

Let me re-phrase that for you.

"Ford should cancel everything that makes their trucks so damn profitable, and build them to satisfy the 0.2% demographic that wants these things (insert list here).....but still wouldn't buy one."
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Deartháir II
03/25/09

@rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: You nailed it. I don't need a truck, but have considered one, lightly-used a couple years old, if fully equipped to luxury-car standards. Like the Lincoln MK150, or whatever it is. It caters to people like me, who want a luxury car, but might need a truck a few times a year. I don't need a stripped-down work truck, nor would I want it. I want a nice car, with a luxurious ride, and space to haul my shit.

Like a G8 Sportwagon. Fucking Pontiac.
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Mad_Science
03/25/09

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I'd still rather have a Cummins-equipped Dodge.
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damnelantra™
03/25/09

@Mad_Science: you just want it for the "Futurama-grade overbite"

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RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
03/25/09

@Mad_Science:

No, the D-max and Allison is the best powertrain.
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Mad_Science
03/25/09

@rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: I prefer to row-my-own. Hence Cummins + 6MT. Not only that, but the Cummins is a lot simpler/cleaner/durable than the DMax.

(My apologies to your employer and your avatar).

@damnelantra™: You saw that, huh?
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
03/25/09

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Warning! Thread-jack.

Since everyone keeps bringing up possums,I just wanted to share my possum story again.

I had one of these on my back deck a few nights ago. It caught me by surprise when I walked out the back door. It played dead as soon as it saw me.

Man was it a bitch trying to drive my car up the deck stairs just so I could run the thing over.
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engineerd
03/25/09

@leavethegun-takethecannoli: That was worth a thread-jack.
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Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
03/25/09

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The red's nice, but will it be available in possum-magnet yellow?
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Jagvar
03/25/09

@Slantsick, with Infinite Improbability Drive:

If I hadn't already heart-clicked you, I would again.
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Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
03/25/09

@Jagvar: Thanks- just wish I was clever enough to have come up with that line in a more timely manner...

And if you hadn't already heart-clicked me, then by definition you couldn't do it again, right? ;) /uncalled-for grammar nazi
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If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
03/25/09

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Why do they need to keep facelifting the Super Duty? Why can't they spend the money on a new Ranger instead?
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
03/25/09

@FromaBuick6: Because the Super-Duty is the bread and butter. The Ranger is like the side of applesauce, most people don't eat it anyway.
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Mad_Science
03/25/09

@leavethegun-takethecannoli: What about porkchops covered in applesauce?

Because they're delicious. Mmmmm...porrkchooops...

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