Where's the diesel engine that Europe gets? You want mileage and low-speed drivability/torque? Stop stuffing a wheezing 4-cylinder gas engine in the hood tied to a rubber-band-worthy transmission. Stick shift FWD GMs are historically like driving on novacaine.
My big question is how well and how fast will the car age under normal use?
Will the plastics and the craptastic clips that hold them start breaking off in your hand like past/current GMs? Will interior panels start loosing their coatings and peel away like the dash finish paint like my always-garaged 21st century Sierra at 5 years old? I went through a brake release lever or two, a glove box latch, and innumerable squeaks and rattles from the hard polystyrene construction.
Are the components designed to live on the edge of their design spec under normal use like the ABS modules of my Sierra's sibling GM trucks/SUVs (ever hear one humming constantly? That's it. $1600 replacement due to underdesigned transistors and no snubber diodes FTW whee! So common there's actually a thriving rebuild market if you know where to look.)?
Will the transmissions outlast the first 100k with their plastic bushings and stamped shell gears (yep, been there too. Got 51k out of the first one.)?
When you factor in that their profit margins for this vehicle are razor thin (I understand they LOST $10 for every Cavalier built at the end of that model, hoping to make it up in financing and service), it doesn't bring a lot of confidence to their latest nameplate. Agreed with all the others they need to STOP RENAMING THINGS every other model cycle. A new name and marketing campaign doesn't make your car any better.
@ha1156w: I think they were going to name it the "XMan" this time, but the name was copyrighted. Then there was another guy in marketing that wanted to move up a letter, and call it the "YManY". But they got stuck in committee trying to decide if that required punctuation or a question mark. So after that, they decided "Cruze" was a nice American sounding surname, so they would just go with that. Being as, of course, "Roosevelt" was simply too darned long.
I like it, not necessarily ground breaking, but nice overall. Both engines, pretty much slot it comparison with the current Cobalt.
In reference to the Cobalt, it is a bit of an enigma to me. The styling is not offensive, but not groundbreaking. The interior is miss-match of cleverly thought out details and cheap materials.(i.e. the Cobalt has a TPS readout that shows the psi of each tire..very nice compared to more expensive cars that just have one glaring light when one tire is 3-5 psi below the specs. but conversely the seat material is easily stained and the dash is hard plastic). I'd say the Cobalt is 70% of what it should be.
If the Cruze can improve on the refinement of the current Cobalt , then it will do well.
It would be smarter for GM to stick to a single name and show that there's a process of evolution and improvement taking place. Much like the Japanese did so by sticking with the Civic or Corolla. Instead, every generation they stick a new name on the car, which instead leaves the impression that they're a bit desperate and previously incompetent.
@MaWeiTao: Its not necessarily wrong though. Cobalt sucked, so why would you keep that name? The buying consumer is a shallow person, who thinks newer is better. A new name implies something totally new. Of course, this can be both a good and bad thing.
What it all really comes down to is the product. If the product is good, people will notice your new car with its new name. Look at the Fusion.
@Ford Tempo Fanatic: I still have a habit of calling the Fusion Taurus. Then again I still call the Focus a Tempo... I'm trapped in the 90's, some one help!
@MaWeiTao: But if GM's inept marketing department didn't come up with new names, what would the overpaid marketing types do? I'm sure GM has regularly put together an incompetent marketing task force to evaluate the synergies of not changing model names, but the conclusion is always no new name might mean less need for redundant marketing droids!
@that ain't the way to have fun, son: Oh so true that they make you appreciate your own wheels. Five days spent behind the wheel of a [short break for vomiting] rental Dodge Caliber this summer made coming back to the 5-speed '95 Outback truly magnificent. No more out-of-balance wheels, torque steer, cheap plastic, dimwitted transmission, crappy visibility, uncomfortable driving position, and the Caliber's crowning Under-Achievement, a complete inability to hit a bump and refrain from loosening people's teeth.
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So, I definitely prefer the looks of this to the Corolla, and perhaps even Civic and Sentra. With a 6MT, this could go to the top of my test-drive list if I were in the market for a new small car.
@MrHowser: Now on XBL as NoReturnPolicy: I'll have to see it in person, but based on the pictures, I disagree. The Civic looks better than the Corolla looks better than the Sentra, in my opinion, and the Cruze slides somewhere in the middle...
And doesn't the Sentra come with a six-speed, anyway?
Oh, good. More Daewoos. That's a great plan considering how well the entire "let's buy that Korean car company and rebadge their incredibly unpopular cars as GMs plan has worked out so far.
I find it incredibly depressing that it's virtually impossible to buy an economy car that was manufactured in America or Canada.
2005 Chevy Cobalt: Don't Call It A Cavalier
1982 Chevy Cavalier: Don't Call It A Monza
1975 Chevy Monza: Don't Call It A Vega
1970 Chevy Vega: Don't Call It A Corvair
But seriously, "one of the most real world-tested GM products prior to a U.S. launch." Kudos to them; that's far more than the previous four offerings had.
I'm dismayed at the Watt's linkage rear suspension. It was "technically advanced" back when James Watt invented it in the 1780's. Honda's been doing four wheel independent suspension on the Civic for how long? But anyway, maybe next generation they can do something like a short-long-arm suspension.
@Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I'm talking about the rear suspension. I wish I had a better online reference for this (the Wikipedia car enthusiasts don't consistently put down the rear suspension type). The 96-00 Civic apparently had front double wishbone, but the 01-05 Civic switched that to front MacPherson. But the current USDM Civic uses double wishbone on the rear, and I saw an EK Civic rear suspension tutorial with pictures that confirmed it was independent (double wishbone probably).
@arbnpx: I've driven the 1.6 LS they sell here in Turkey, and while it's no race car, the handling is quite alright. The ride is where they've nailed it though. It's almost near Peugeot levels, just a little softer on rough pavement and unfortunately harder through serious potholes. Still, I liked it more than the new Civic.
@oyumurtaci: Interesting; that's probably exactly what they were aiming for.
Still, I was hoping that GM would go for a "small fun cheap" car, something like the Civic Si or Scion tC. Hopefully they come up with a way to deliver that in a few years, but a nice-riding compact car sounds great for the majority of their market target.
@arbnpx: The US Civic uses a MacPherson front suspension and a multi-link in the rear which was a disappointing step back for some from previous generations. The European version is an even greater step back in that it uses a torsion beam in the rear. Corollas use the same setup as European Civics which means a torsion beam in the rear.
This just goes to show that your average consumer has no need for the latest and greatest. At least 95% of the driving public encounters virtually no situation where these suspensions wont perform as well as fully independent suspension.
And if you do some research online you'll find people have pretty good things to say about Watt's linkages. Just because some technology was invented a long time ago doesn't mean it's somehow inherently inferior. You'd be surprised by the number of supposedly cutting-edge automotive technologies that were invented a long time ago.
@arbnpx: Well, the U.S. will definitely be having more 'cheap' and 'fun' than we do, as the Cruze starts at around 25,000 dollars here, only has 2 trim levels (both under the LS moniker) and the electronic climate control (part of $4500 package), sunroof (add $1000), parking sensors (package), AT (add $2000), extra 2 speakers for the sound system (package), trip computer (package), automatic stuff like lights - wipers - rear view electrochromatic mirror (package) all cost extra. Add to that we only get the crappy 1.6 113hp 153 Nm engine, and I'd say you'll definitely be getting a better deal.
@FTGDWolverineEdition'09: that blue needs to be an option on the Cruze SS as well. And it'd be a Cheap and easy project to do since they've already used the Ecotec LNF engine for Fwd applications.
Ford's been considering selling an Focus RS mk3 here and GM best step up to the Plate with their competitor. if it isn't the Cruze it best be a Next-gen Astra.
I'm also thinking that the 1.4l turbo should see some use in the Aveo. It could use the extra power and efficiency. It might just redeem the Aveo if done right. It'd be a good stop-gap until a new subcompact can get to market.
(The Spark is really going to compete with the Smart and the 500 more than the Fiesta in my book.)
Just as long as they didn't benchmark the MkV Jetta this time around, they should be okay.
Still, I've spent more than enough time around Cobalts, and they're a decent little car, for people who don't care about cars (the SS is pretty good) - it looks like GM's made steps in the right direction.
I like turbo fours, but 2 hp and what ten/twenty ft/lbs more torque make me wonder whether it really offers much advantage. Turbos are great fun, but you do have to contend with the lag.
Bust a six speed manual and big numbers for highway cruising are quite attractive.
To me, this is just a Cavalier designed in Korea, and will eventually find its way to the rental counters every where, just like the cars than came before it (Cavalier, Cobalt, Corsica, etc.)
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My big question is how well and how fast will the car age under normal use?
Will the plastics and the craptastic clips that hold them start breaking off in your hand like past/current GMs? Will interior panels start loosing their coatings and peel away like the dash finish paint like my always-garaged 21st century Sierra at 5 years old? I went through a brake release lever or two, a glove box latch, and innumerable squeaks and rattles from the hard polystyrene construction.
Are the components designed to live on the edge of their design spec under normal use like the ABS modules of my Sierra's sibling GM trucks/SUVs (ever hear one humming constantly? That's it. $1600 replacement due to underdesigned transistors and no snubber diodes FTW whee! So common there's actually a thriving rebuild market if you know where to look.)?
Will the transmissions outlast the first 100k with their plastic bushings and stamped shell gears (yep, been there too. Got 51k out of the first one.)?
When you factor in that their profit margins for this vehicle are razor thin (I understand they LOST $10 for every Cavalier built at the end of that model, hoping to make it up in financing and service), it doesn't bring a lot of confidence to their latest nameplate. Agreed with all the others they need to STOP RENAMING THINGS every other model cycle. A new name and marketing campaign doesn't make your car any better.
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In reference to the Cobalt, it is a bit of an enigma to me. The styling is not offensive, but not groundbreaking. The interior is miss-match of cleverly thought out details and cheap materials.(i.e. the Cobalt has a TPS readout that shows the psi of each tire..very nice compared to more expensive cars that just have one glaring light when one tire is 3-5 psi below the specs. but conversely the seat material is easily stained and the dash is hard plastic). I'd say the Cobalt is 70% of what it should be.
If the Cruze can improve on the refinement of the current Cobalt , then it will do well.
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What it all really comes down to is the product. If the product is good, people will notice your new car with its new name. Look at the Fusion.
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/dreading 11 days of rental car...thought they are very good at helping you appreciate what you own
*I'd really like a Fit, but those aren't at all common as rental vehicles. I'd even take a Mabiloo, if the price is right.
Less $'s spent on car = an extra few hands at the blackjack table
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Heart-click for making my rental car shopping list one car shorter.
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(1) Stupid name.
(2) Weak engines.
(3) GM had better not kill SAAB
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And doesn't the Sentra come with a six-speed, anyway?
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I find it incredibly depressing that it's virtually impossible to buy an economy car that was manufactured in America or Canada.
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1982 Chevy Cavalier: Don't Call It A Monza
1975 Chevy Monza: Don't Call It A Vega
1970 Chevy Vega: Don't Call It A Corvair
But seriously, "one of the most real world-tested GM products prior to a U.S. launch." Kudos to them; that's far more than the previous four offerings had.
I'm dismayed at the Watt's linkage rear suspension. It was "technically advanced" back when James Watt invented it in the 1780's. Honda's been doing four wheel independent suspension on the Civic for how long? But anyway, maybe next generation they can do something like a short-long-arm suspension.
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Just be glad they're not still using a live axle. They'd do it, too, if it was a nickel cheaper.
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Still, I was hoping that GM would go for a "small fun cheap" car, something like the Civic Si or Scion tC. Hopefully they come up with a way to deliver that in a few years, but a nice-riding compact car sounds great for the majority of their market target.
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This just goes to show that your average consumer has no need for the latest and greatest. At least 95% of the driving public encounters virtually no situation where these suspensions wont perform as well as fully independent suspension.
And if you do some research online you'll find people have pretty good things to say about Watt's linkages. Just because some technology was invented a long time ago doesn't mean it's somehow inherently inferior. You'd be surprised by the number of supposedly cutting-edge automotive technologies that were invented a long time ago.
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Ford's been considering selling an Focus RS mk3 here and GM best step up to the Plate with their competitor. if it isn't the Cruze it best be a Next-gen Astra.
I'm also thinking that the 1.4l turbo should see some use in the Aveo. It could use the extra power and efficiency. It might just redeem the Aveo if done right. It'd be a good stop-gap until a new subcompact can get to market.
(The Spark is really going to compete with the Smart and the 500 more than the Fiesta in my book.)
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Still, I've spent more than enough time around Cobalts, and they're a decent little car, for people who don't care about cars (the SS is pretty good) - it looks like GM's made steps in the right direction.
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O RLY?
I am enjoying delicious apples, and they are clearly better than your orange.
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I like turbo fours, but 2 hp and what ten/twenty ft/lbs more torque make me wonder whether it really offers much advantage. Turbos are great fun, but you do have to contend with the lag.
Bust a six speed manual and big numbers for highway cruising are quite attractive.
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