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    2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965

    2010 Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Lincoln MKZ: Design, Dissected

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    What's that car in the picture? Looks like a Dacia or something.
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    Image of If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face If FromaBuick6 has to watch one more Chevy commercial, he's going to punch Howie Long in the face
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    Why would anybody pay 34k for a wannabe Versailles? Or is it a knockoff '85 Seville? Or a luxury Mercury Zephyr?
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    Am I the only one who thinks $34,000 sounds like a really low starting price for a luxury sedan? I was expecting at least $40,0000. Which is probably what the EcoBoost and AWD equipped model starts at..
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    03/18/09

    @Ford Tempo Fanatic:


    Yeah, for this car, you are the only one.


    I know how you hate "badge engineering", and taking a regular old car and slapping on a fancy badge, so shouldn't you HATE this car? Your fanboying must have some limits to see this right, as you accuse GM of doing this (they don't) and it being terrible?


    Oh, and that Buick "Cruze" is a Daewoo for Korea, so it isn't badge engineering as there will only be one for that market.

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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    03/18/09

    @rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe:


    It looks different enough for me to like. When I think of re-badging, I think of the GM U-Body minivans. Re-badged no less then three times over the Pontiac (Driving Excitement my ass), Chevrolet, and Oldsmobile. Or worse, the second generation U-Body vans were re-badged four times (Saturn, Chevy, Buick, Pontiac).


    The worst part is, the MKS/Taurus/Sable are good cars. The U-Body minivans were not. I wouldn't have minded a Buick branded Cruze if the Cruze turned out to be a good car, and the Buick rendition was noticeably different. I said that in my reply to the Buick Cruze post.

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    While I really like the grille on these things, that's the only thing I like. SYNC? No. Engine? No. Reverse sensing? No need, no dragon will approach this thing from the rear with mischievous intent. 35k? You have to be kidding. Even with AWD, there is no driver involvement here. It's an isolation zone for cocooning a mid-level manager from the exurbs to the downtown war zone office. We don't need more of those. We need cars that bring people to life, to solve the problems of existence. We don't need more that put them to sleep, and leave us with more zombies, shuffling purposeless through life.
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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    So, the CTA is an alarm that screeches at you whenever there is something in your blindspot?


    I already have a W-I-F-E that does that for me.

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    Image of maximum-sienna maximum-sienna
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    With about 213,000 199,000 175,000 employees non-unionized laborers and about 90 76 plants worldwide...
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    03/18/09

    @maximum-sienna haz a NA V-6: Apparently the hamsters don't like old school HTML code. What was wrong with the del command? Can we get our preview buttom back?


    FAIL

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    Image of maximum-sienna maximum-sienna
    03/18/09

    @maximum-sienna haz a NA V-6: Testing
    Testing
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    03/18/09

    @maximum-sienna haz a NA V-6: so apparently s and strike don't work either. Does anybody know how to do strikethrough?
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    03/18/09

    @maximum-sienna haz a NA V-6: You can't. Only italic and bold. And images, although that capability eludes some folks, including myself from time to time.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    I read the "Blindspot Information System" as "Blind Information System". Especially since its acronym is BLIS.


    I thought it was nice a carmaker was finally trying to provide products for our sight-challenged friends.

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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    I generally like Fords and Lincolns, but I think even Buick blew Lincoln out of the water with their new models.


    Lincoln can't even compete with Cadillac anymore.


    The new Lincolns look like they were designed for government service.

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    Image of BLS BLS
    03/18/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli: I was thinking, "I will take a base CTS over this any day." but now that you say it. I would also take a Lucerne or the next-gen LaCrosse over this as well.
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    03/18/09

    @BLS: @rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe:


    Exactly. What happened to the fun Lincolns? The convertibles, the suicide doors?

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    Image of BLS BLS
    03/18/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli: Definately the '64 Continental but even the LS. I hope they make the C-Concept that would atleast be unique. Rather than, "Hey, it isn't as boring as a tarted up Camry."
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    03/18/09

    @BLS: I totally agree. They need to make something cool, something for gangsters. This is just for old people, and they mostly buy Buicks and Cadillacs anyways, not tarted-up Fords.
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    Image of maximum-sienna maximum-sienna
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    And this is why Ford will last. They have competitive, quality products, that are priced right.
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    03/18/09

    @maximum-sienna haz a NA V-6: They do have quality products, but their new designs are so reserved. They still cater to the older generation. They continue to gather a larger share of a decreasing customer base.
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    Image of A strolling player A strolling player
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    So it's like the MKS, but much uglier?


    Great.

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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    Looks like it sleeps 3.


    $35K is a little pricey...condos will be less than that in another 12 months. Hell, go to Detroit and buy two houses.

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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    03/18/09

    @I may have a 35 mile commute with my beater Mercedes: Two mansions in Detroit at that price. For $35000.00 you can buy an entire block of regular homes.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    03/18/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli:


    Tempting, but after thinking about this for more than 0.05 seconds, this requires I live in Detroit.


    Pass.

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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    03/18/09

    @I may have a 35 mile commute with my beater Mercedes: Pretty sure Lincoln MKZ ownership also requires you live in Detroit. Because I sure as heck haven't seen one on the road anywhere else.
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    Image of Brimful of Ash on the 78 Brimful of Ash on the 78
    03/18/09

    In reply to 2010 Lincoln MKZ Pricing Starts At $34,965
    Bridge of Weir leather seats


    Peter or Bob? Makes a difference.

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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    11/26/08

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Lincoln MKZ: Design, Dissected
    Whatever Ford does, I don't care. As long as it remains solvent enough to bring a Mondo-Type car later on.


    The Ford Mondeo-It's my Personal Obama, fixin all my problems and makin' the world a better place. Hopefully both will deliver.

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    Image of Franzouse Franzouse
    11/26/08

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Lincoln MKZ: Design, Dissected
    I like this post a lot more than I like either cars.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    11/26/08

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion, Mercury Milan, Lincoln MKZ: Design, Dissected
    2010 Fusion: Now With Taillights That Don't Look Like Bleached Dogshit


    Seriously, though, why hasn't Ford learned their lesson? If the other side of the world gets a new, better car, we do too. Is it that fucking hard? I mean, look at the Focus. If you can stand to, that is. How's that compare to the European model? That's right.


    I'm afraid they're doing the same thing, though this new model is actually a bit nicer looking.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/26/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: In fairness, the Fusion triplets are actually pretty decent cars all around. The big problem is that the Mondeo is fantastic. The Mondeo is like 95% of a BMW 3-series for 60% of the price, from what I'm told. Much, in fact, like the G8 and its siblings, and the BMW 5-series.


    By that comparison, it's hard for the Fusion to not look like crap; but when compared against a Camry or Accord -- although that's not fair either, because a Fusion sits between a Civic and Accord in size -- it's a very valid competitor.


    In fairness, we could be equally upset at Honda; the European Accord is the Acura TL over here, and by comparison, the TL is much better, and more expensive. Ford has a quandry, because it needs to compete against both in North America.


    It will be interesting to see how they deploy the European models in North America. As it sits, Acura is pretty much alone in its segment, sitting between high-end economy cars and low-end luxury cars. Will the average consumer be willing to pony up more for the vastly-superior Mondeo? I have my doubts, with it wearing a Ford badge. I sincerely hope so.

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    Image of Plecostomus [Tyrrell] Plecostomus [Tyrrell]
    11/26/08

    @FuzzyPlushroom: I wrote about this same issue two years ago on the Super Coupe Club of America and how to fix the current US lineup.


    I saw a Focus the other day (00-04 model) with european bumpers the other day in SoCal and I was floored by how pretty it was.


    I continue to say that we need the C-max and S-max instead of that god-awful freestar. They could at least sell you a rebadged MPV instead of the antiquated crap that is Freestar.

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