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2010 Chevy Camaro: First Drive
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2010 Chevy Camaro: First Drive |
03/26/09
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03/21/09
I dont think this will happen during the carpocolypse, BUT...
the mustang has its cobra, the vette the z06 and now the zr1, and the G8 has the GXP.
could the camaro be saved by a halo model? throw a LS7 in it, refine the suspension for a more involved driver experience? Obviously the G8 shares the same base, could the camaro be refined to the same level? or do you think its a lost cause.
cheers
03/21/09
And call me Wes, not "reviewer" please.
03/21/09
Even as a Camaro fan, I found the article middle of the road at best. A little bad for each group, a little good. I find it odd to focus so heavily on a "light" steering feel when that has been a staple of every rwd gm for years. Whats wrong with light or flickable steering? At least it doesn't wallow like a sick whale in the corners.
03/21/09
But you're right, I think people are looking for what they want to see in this review. If people stepped back and took a more objective look at the new mullet-mobile, I think they'd see it's not entirely peaches n' cream. It's an epic vehicle, one that I'm even considering buying, but it's certainly not perfect.
So take a moment to step back and look at this first drive for what it is -- an honest and positive review of a car that we're all happy to have back.
03/21/09
I'm not thrilled about the design of the interior, but I do like it better than the 09 or 10 Mustang. I'm not surprised on the comments about the plastic aren't surprising but there was no mention about how this relates to a simple cruise (quiet cabin, or noisy/rattling?) In the end, thats what will matter to me. Despite the fact that the Challengers interior is a copy-paste of other lx cars, I like it the best of the three thus far.
The only thing I ask is that this, my most trusted site of automotive information, NOT pull a MotorTrend...You know, like in a test of the new "muscle cars":
1) include a requisite foreign POS that performs mediocre in every test but somehow becomes rated #1 because in a "performance shootout" its not always about recordable numbers (you know, like that big phat check nobody reported that came from VW rating the most mediocre car of the group their #1 over the complete surprise that was the lauded Chevy Cobalt)
2) They will only include the American muscle (as it should be), but will once again name the car of the year on some intangible (like that phat check from Ford for last years truck of the year when the Dodge performed better in every test)
03/21/09
Using correct grammar and sentence construction will improve the likelihood that your message is transmitted as you intended. The message above is unclear. However, if your 'foreign POS' invective is intended to influence buyers who prefer to look at actual performance in their comparisons, you must know that you will be dismissed out of hand as another mullet with poor earning potential and a greasy Klan hood.
Most commenters here will fairly compare domestic and transplant and import vehicles, with the exception of a few domestic apologists with vaguely racist and xenophobic agendas. In fact, despite the tendency of Jalopniks to love old Detroit iron, because of how much of it we have wrenched on, most of us actually like working on pretty much all types of vehicles, where ever they come from.
So choose how you want to be seen. It can be fun to be a clown. But that does make it hard to be taken seriously. You've been around here long enough to notice that.
03/21/09
I like all makes of cars, but as referenced in my post, a "Muscle" car comparison should not include anything not American like a Genesis. That's exactly what I said, and if you were even semi-proficient at reading comprehension, you would realize that.
03/21/09
I gathered that, from the 'foreign POS' remark. The Golf was chosen, because it is BETTER. There really ARE other things besides numbers that make a car more enjoyable and livable. Your opinion notwithstanding.
Just look at how well that VW is doing compared to GM, and you will see that they are BETTER than GM at the job of designing and building cars that people want. Being a GM fanboy, despite their obvious glaring flaws as a manufacturer, just shows that your opinions are disposable. People who navigate Jalopnik looking for educated opinion, are just going to ignore talk like that. Most people here have a lot of experience with cars and car culture. They will be looking for objective comparisons between various alternatives. NOT 'social media' hype. You lose.
".."Muscle" car comparison should not include anything not American like a Genesis ..."
This is simply your assertion. Modern muscle can come from Mercedes, Chevrolet, or even Hyundai these days. Just because you can't see that, doesn't mean that you get to dictate journalistic comparisons, which educated buyers might be reading to make their decisions in the marketplace. They will be shopping those brands, for the same reasons, so the comparison is valid. America isn't the beginning and end of ANYTHING automotive these days, so get over it.
"..and if you were even semi-proficient at reading comprehension..."
Oh, I'm proficient enough to pick holes in your poor logic, while I'm simultaneously drinking Balvenie and watching the NCAA tournament on the side.
Cheers.
03/21/09
The V8 uses 6L80.
03/21/09
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03/21/09
Oh, and I'll take my SS in black please.
03/21/09
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03/20/09
I have to admit I loved hearing the stands up well to it. Sure, hp-wise it gets owned, but it's still in the conversation. Buy an 09 GT, throw some Ford Racing parts in it, and compete with the SS at a price just slightly above the V6 Maro.
03/20/09
03/21/09
03/20/09
03/20/09
No, not even a lorry.
I'd put the mullet wig on a skull and mount it on the hood of my Volvo. It wouldn't fit over my ponytail.
03/20/09
03/21/09
03/20/09
03/20/09
This calls for more than a cursory glance, a quick once around the block. No, this calls for something bigger, more meaningful, more monumental.
This calls for a road trip.
I call shotgun.
03/20/09
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03/21/09
03/20/09
And the hot junk they're gauging is hot. Yes. That is some hot car. An eyeful and an earful. Welcome back, Cameo!
03/20/09
03/20/09
I even think the interior is appropriate for the type of car this is, these types of cars are not something you buy based on interior luxuries or quality. You buy them becuase they are big, loud, fast and badass. The sissy stuff is just that, for sissies.
03/20/09
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03/21/09
Had it been presented in a different light, would your critique be different?
Had they said "We're shooting to take away 40% of Mustang sales and boot the Challenger to the curb because we're faster and better looking", would you be more forgiving?
Elsewhere you'll find me ranting about not caring about interior bits. That doesn't apply to driver interface.
How are the seats/wheel/shifter/pedal...really?
03/21/09
03/20/09
One can only wonder how limiting a redesign like this will be. Remember when people were shitting on themselves to get at a PT Cruiser? Or a Beetle? When's the last time those designs looked fresh?
Seems to me like the surest way to destroy the market value for a vehicle in a short amount of time is to base a design off the nostalgic pinings of your middle aged focus group. Good luck Chevy, you will need it.
03/20/09
I don't see this design as retro, so much as a truly contemporary design that's obviously traceable to the original. There's plenty of room to evolve this one gracefully (unlike the 2010 Mustang, which I don't think is particularly handsome).
03/20/09
03/20/09