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    Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT

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    Image of crankcase - always getting the shaft crankcase - always getting the shaft
    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    Help! Why are there so many Ashes out here?
    Will the real Ash please stand up?
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    04/22/09

    @crankcase - Now 50 and even crankier!: I AM ASH!
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    04/22/09

    @Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet: I'm Ash!
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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    @Ash87: I don't disagree (parents just spent $30k on a Passat Lux 2.0t) with any of that...but still, part of me thinks there's a temporary "fuel efficiency freakout" going on, as well.


    I'm also just using the same flawed logic here that causes people to keep criticizing Acura for lacking a V8. It's just an impression thing, I guess.

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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    @Ash91: Keep in mind I'm talking about the Audi 90-degree 3.2 V6, not the VW VR6 of the same displacement--that's the R32 and A3 engine. The Audi V6 engines that went into the A4 are very solid. A lot of room for confusion since we're talking about 2 different platforms and engines with the same displacement. My mistake for not being more clear on that.


    For the record, all things considered, I'd also take the current 2.0t over anything else. They've really perfected it.

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    Image of MplsCarPunk MplsCarPunk
    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    Could this move be a way to make room for diesel options?
    In spite of the very poor dependability of my 2001 A6 2.7T, I am leaning towards an A4 2.0 Avant next time.
    If they offer the 3.0 diesel in an A4 that will be very tempting. If they put it in the Avant, I'll be sold.
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    04/22/09

    @MplsCarPunk: One would hope that's the case... but opportunities in the past have come and gone.


    Diesel's 15 mins have just about gone for the MASS public... It carries a steadily more expensive cost.


    I'm with you though; Diesel A4/5/6 and Avants where applicable... mouthwatering.

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    Sooo...How about a lower-pressure version of the TT RS's turbo-five to fill the gap?
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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    I'd probably go for the 2.0T if I were Audi-shopping. Cheaper, more tunable, lighter, and better mileage if you can stay off the boost.
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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    @Ash91: Tuning, economy, and power-to-weight, yes. Smoothness, quietness, reliability, sound, and low-end grunt (1.8t), not so much.
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    04/22/09

    @Ash78: Reliability? The VR6?


    I'll admit that they don't sound too impressive, and there's some definite turbo-lag with the 1.8T. But against their competition, hey.

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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    The turbocharged VW/Audi four-bangers have always been a better choice, anyway.
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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    The Audi 2.0 Turbo is one of the best engines built today- [wardsauto.com]


    And the v6 makes the A3/4 ungainly. I don't think this is a bad move at all.

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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    Makes perfectly sense.... the V6 Audi are mainly sold in the US and with current low sales figures, it is only logical to drop them.
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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    The V-6 probably didn't help the handling any.
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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    Meh... Audi buyers don't tend to be HP nuts anyway.
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    04/22/09

    @Hello Mister Walrus: True, they tend to favor an impressive complete torque curve over nearly-useless peak HP stats.
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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    Really, why pay more for a bigger engine with a marginal power increase and significant drop in MPG?


    Yeah, we're car enthusiasts, I shouldn't even be asking that question. But the point still stands.

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    04/22/09

    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    @Ash78: Forgot to mention reliability, which was also NOT a strong suit of the 1.8t (compared to the solid Audi V6 engines). This also seems to have improved a LOT with the 2.0t.
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    In reply to Audi Quietly Drops 3.2 V6 From 2010 A3, A4, TT
    It makes sense. The 1.8t was nice, but it was just a little too "rough" and laggy to really compete against the nice torque from the 2.8 and 3.2 V6 engines. But the 2.0t has really improved on both of those negatives. With current tuning, it could easily replace most V6 engines.


    The last sticking point is whether luxury buyers will accept it. In the US, a $30k+ car without 6+ cylinders can be a tough sell.

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    04/22/09

    @Ash78: The luxury buyers that have been buying the 2.0T over the 3.2 nine to one? Most buyers in this entry-level luxury range aren't gonna care much about the number of cylinders, they're gonna be looking at the price sheets, and some (like us) will recognise that the 2.0T is so much engine for the money that the 3.2 isn't worth it.
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    04/22/09

    @Ash87:
    Remember, customers only buy what the dealer orders.


    The 2.0T, automatic, FWD sedan is their "$399 lease special" so you're going to find boatloads of them on the lot. Additionally, around here most Audi loan car fleets are made up of the same car so you're going to see even more of them ordered even though customers aren't buying them (until they become CPO cars.)


    The few 3.2 A4's I've seen on dealer's lots are so heavily optioned they're bumping into A6 price territory ($40K plus) so that might be another part of the problem.

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    04/22/09

    @Gearhead's Garage: If a customer's gonna be satisfied with "what's on the lot", then engine choice must not be all that important to him. If someone really believes that a luxury car should have at least a six, and really wants an A4, he's gonna wait, he's gonna special order, or he's gonna buy a 3 series.


    The very fact that customers will buy what the dealer has ordered instead of what they really want shows that all they really want is style or a badge or a nice place to sit.

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