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    2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback

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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    I hate to say it, but the raised-wagon perfectly meets the requirments that most people buy CUVs or SUVs for.


    Provided your most grueling terrain never goes beyond the occasional dirt road or snow and you don't need to tow > 2000lbs, something like this gets the job done perfectly in a way that the "normal" car-based ones can't.


    My problem is that they tend to crowd out the "normal" wagons. e.g. We can't get a Legacy wagon in the US b/c the Outback is the sales leader.

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    Image of Unregular Unregular
    03/03/09

    @Mad_Science: you COULD get a legacy wagon. and you still can get a pre-owned one. but yeah, they stopped making them.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    03/03/09

    @Unregular: Yeah, that's the point.


    I think Legacy:Outback was like 1:8.

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    Image of Boosted Lego Wagon Boosted Lego Wagon
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    "Always liked the Subaru Outback, but wish it had Teutonic design and German precision?"


    You mean fatter, and with more electrical problems?

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    Image of Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    Well, I realize I'm not the customer they're going for- I'm a 32-y.o. carpenter from the boonies who actually uses his pickup, plus this car is not 20 years old, rusted half to death, with a 200K mile 6-cylinder, being sold off the lawn of some guy with a roughly equal tooth/IQ count, but- I like it, despite the fact that it's an overpriced VW (redundant?), and they totally fail at the trapezoid grille. (For examples of Trapezoid WIN, please see: 1957-64 Chrysler.)
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    I'm catching a few lost-in-translation bobbles, but by and large this is far and away the best-written press release I've seen in a long time. Not a lot of BS, mostly it's conversationally clear and concise.
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    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    How much torque from the little TDI? That's the mill I'd ride behind. Those little turboilburners make some serious twist, totally blows away your old impression of diesels. Gear 'em low - wanna go fast? Stick your foot in, and keep it there.
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    Image of Joshuman Joshuman
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    I hate this Allroad business just as much as I hate the Outback and V70 XC. All these cars in regular Legacy, A4, A6, and V70 form are perfectly fine on their own. Hell, I own two of them. I just don't understand the thinking behind adding body cladding and raising the suspension. These cars typically do not spend much time off road.


    What I do really like is the prospect of replacing my 2002 A4 Avant with a A4 (non-Allroad) 3.0 TDI in about five years.

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    Image of Astigmatism Astigmatism
    03/03/09

    @joshman: I agreed with you when I lived in California, but now that I'm in the frozen Northeast, the V70 XC looks pretty appealing. The standard V70 is FWD-only, and I need the extra traction and ride height to get up a hilly, unplowed driveway with eight inches of snow and ice on it. As for the body cladding, the underside of my (black) Lexus looks like a science experiment after three months of ice and salted roads, so I appreciate the plastic; I even think it helps the Volvo's otherwise somewhat slab-sided lines.


    But the Audi is a slightly smaller (albeit better-looking and quicker) version of the same thing for (probably) another $20,000, at which price point you can have a 530xi. So hell no, I don't understand it.

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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    03/03/09

    @joshman: The wife has a 2004 XC70. The reason is camping/boy scouts. There is a difference in what you can get to on rutted dirt roads. And it isn't one of those hideous XC90 SUV's. Allroads are similar. There is a reason that they are made, and it isn't simply style.
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    Image of Rust-MyEnemy Rust-MyEnemy
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    Kind of looks like it has a beard.


    A little wispy one.

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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    ok thats all well and good. but i want to know what the "+++" feature can do for me
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    Image of Ash78, tryptophanatic Ash78, tryptophanatic
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    You'd be hard-pressed to find a more expensive-to-own and problematic car than the previous Allroad with 2.7tt and the air suspension. This should be better, but I just don't see how big the market is for an extra inch of ground clearance and some plastic cladding.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    03/03/09

    @Ash78: "I just don't see how big the market is for an extra inch of ground clearance and some plastic cladding."


    Disturbingly, disappointingly large.

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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    500 Nm of torque to the crankshaft at 1,500 to 3,000 rpm.

    500 Nm of torque to the crankshaft at 1,500 to 3,000 rpm. Just wanted to make sure it was noticed.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/03/09

    @Syrax: That's nothin'. Its only like...*goes to online calculator*...holy crap! That's 368 lb-ft of torquey goodness.


    I guess German lesbian granolas need to have a *fun* car, too.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    03/03/09

    @Syrax: Yeah, that stat kinda made my pants tighten a lil bit. I have a hard time coming up with reasons that having that in my car would somehow suck.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    German lesbian granolas need a car, too.
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    03/03/09

    @engineerd thinks cannoli is deserving of a star: There are German lesbians?
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    03/03/09

    @wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx: Very large, very mean ones.


    "I have embraced the love which dare not speak its name. Ve met at the LPGA tour. Her name... is Unibrau."

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    Image of Six Flags Over Tomsk Six Flags Over Tomsk
    03/03/09

    @Deartháir now campaigns for leavethegun - takethecannoli: Not to be confused with Unimog.
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    Image of number9ine number9ine
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    You mean I can have my A4 avant with poorer gas mileage, body cladding stolen off a base Subaru and a higher price? I'll stick with the Audi Someroad, thanks.
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    Image of Snark21883 Snark21883
    03/03/09

    @number9ine:

    @Ash78:


    I'd buy a raised hatch or wagon over a SUV any day. I drive on a lot of bad roads, but don't need an offroader - just something that I don't have to worry about when driving 50-100 miles on dirt.

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    Image of Ash78, tryptophanatic Ash78, tryptophanatic
    03/03/09

    @Snark21883: Outback-style, sure (almost 9" clearance). But I doubt the difference from the A6 to the Allroad is appreciable.
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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    I remember when these first came out Audi had a 30 minute infomercial on them. Let's not do that again.
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    Image of Syrax Syrax
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    What's with the white, Audi?
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    03/03/09

    @Syrax: I think it shows off the lines pretty well. But you're right...very Toyota of them.
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    03/03/09

    In reply to 2010 Audi A4 Allroad Quattro: The German Subaru Outback
    At first I was a little disappointed we wouldn't be getting this in the States...but now I'm not so much. It'd be way too expensive, and it offers relatively little in the ways of appealing to Americans. It straddles that awkward line between wagon and SUV that Americans hate so much.
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    Image of segfault segfault
    03/03/09

    @wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx:


    Yeah, a four-banger in a $50,000+ car seems like a poor value.

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    Image of Ash78, tryptophanatic Ash78, tryptophanatic
    03/03/09

    @segfault: And they're pushing $45k in the VW CC, which also uses the same engine. Even more egregious given the marque.
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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    03/03/09

    @Ash78: $45k for a Volkswagen? Unheard of! What a bad time to go further upscale.


    Ah well, maybe I can get a Rabbit CC soon.

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