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    Image of danio3834 danio3834
    11/19/09

    In reply to Motor Trend Car Of The Year: 2010 Ford Fusion
    Really? Bleh.

    Then again, I've never really agreed with MT's choices.
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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Now if anyone, even just one, person at Chrysler had half a brain, they'd really grab this opportunity. Safety is important, and a fantastic selling point.

    This may be the one and only thing Dodge can shove into Toyota's face and actually have ground to stand on.
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    Image of rickerbr rickerbr
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    How are the Jetta and A3 midsize cars and a 4Dr Golf a small car? They are on the same platform, same wheelbase and the Golf probably has more interior volume. I always wonder about the IIHS but this confirms it....
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    Image of HDC HDC
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Wow. A reason to actually buy a Sebring, Journey, Avenger, or Patriot. I see much potential in these otherwise craptastic vehicles as destruction derby rides.
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    FTGDWolverineEdition'09 promoted this comment HDC was starred HDC was unstarred
    Image of quayzar quayzar
    11/18/09

    @HDC: That's the ugly duckling moral.

    It's OK that you are such a terrible car now little Chrysler. As you will grow up to be the only car still running in a demolition derby when you lose half your value next year.

    And with that the little Chrysler was no longer self conscious about it's looks as it knows that for it's true purpose in life looks don't matter.

    Chug along little shit box, chug along to victory.
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    Image of HDC HDC
    11/18/09

    @quayzar: As long as the transmission holds out, yer golden.
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    Image of Racin_G73 - dirt track legend (some day ... maybe) Racin_G73 - dirt track legend (some day ... maybe)
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    I'm not sure I'll understand the hate for the IIHS around here. I know the arguments - the tests aren't representative of real-world conditions, making cars safer in crashes leads to irresponsible drivers, the IIHS tests have contributed to the bloat and ugly designs...

    But, really, isn't it better to know what would happen to your car in the event that it experienced the kind of crash that they are testing? As opposed to having no idea how one car will perform vs. another... And you can't blame better design for a lack of personal responsibility. Especially when that better design can still save your a*! when some jerk with NO personal responsibility comes crashing into you in a frontal offset setup after crossing the double-yellow line while reaching for their cell phone...
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    Image of dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity dwegmull comments for the purpose of obscurity
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Want to be safe? Just buy the black car with the concrete front in the first picture.
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    Image of Rabbi Dave Rabbi Dave
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Just a big FYI
    The IIHS does not test Porsches. It does not test many of the most expensive BMWs and Mercedes either. Therefore their absence should not make a big difference.

    The IIHS told us they tested only 52 roofs at this point. Why? Because when they told manufacturers of the tests and asked them to send cars they thought had a chance of passing, all they got was 52. of those 27 passed. They will add new models to the list throughout the year though as they do more testing. That's why so many 2010 models were rushed through the old testing to get 2009 awards.
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    Image of korvetkeith king of teh horsepowers! korvetkeith king of teh horsepowers!
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    As a young taxpayer I'm glad that baby-boomers are driving the safest and largest cars on the road.*

    *Denotes sarcasm.
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    Novaload promoted this comment korvetkeith king of teh horsepowers! was starred korvetkeith king of teh horsepowers! was unstarred
    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/18/09

    @korvetkeith king of teh horsepowers!: That's right, punk. You'll be paying for our meds and scooters and Medic-Alert buttons for a long, long time!
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    Image of wkiernan wkiernan
    11/18/09

    @korvetkeith king of teh horsepowers!: Listen sonny, it was my fifty-fifth birthday yesterday, and I drive a Miata. Now get offa my lawn.
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    Image of korvetkeith king of teh horsepowers! korvetkeith king of teh horsepowers!
    11/18/09

    @wkiernan: Sure thing as long as you stay the hell outta my way at the next open track event.

    #tips
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    Image of JohnAllison JohnAllison
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    For those that don't feel the need to click through pictures for a list of words:

    Large Cars:
    Buick LaCrosse
    Ford Taurus
    Lincoln MKS
    Volvo S80

    Midsize Cars:
    Audi A3
    Chevrolet Malibu built after October 2009
    Chrysler Sebring 4-door with optional electronic stability control
    Dodge Avenger with optional electronic stability control
    Mercedes C class
    Subaru Legacy
    Subaru Outback
    Volkswagen Jetta sedan
    Volkswagen Passat sedan
    Volvo C30

    Small Cars
    Honda Civic 4-door models (except Si) with optional electronic stability control
    Kia Soul
    Nissan Cube
    Subaru Impreza except WRX
    Volkswagen Golf 4-door

    Midsize SUVs
    Dodge Journey
    Subaru Tribeca
    Volvo XC60
    Volvo XC90

    Small SUVs
    Honda Element
    Jeep Patriot with optional side torso airbags
    Subaru Forester
    Volkswagen Tiguan
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    Image of OldeEnglishD OldeEnglishD
    11/18/09

    @JohnAllison: heart clickey for that!
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    Image of SubieBlast SubieBlast
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    The best safety feaatures on my WRX STi:
    -An engine that can accelerate out of trouble.
    -Suspension that can handle around idiots.
    -Brakes that can stop me before hitting morons.
    -and grey matter between the ears.
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    Edited by SubieBlast at 11/18/09 8:56 AM SubieBlast was starred SubieBlast was unstarred
    Image of cgates1 cgates1
    11/18/09

    @SubieBlast: +1, but this applies to cars beyond the WRX.

    When I was 16, I was "taught" to drive by my father, in a 1964 356C Porsche (with the optional lap belts!). His teaching method was to put me in the car after describing the controls and say "good luck".

    But his advice was priceless, and I carry it with me to this day: safety comes from avoiding accidents, not from airbags, ABS etc. and agility is more valuable than any of those features.

    Passive "safety" is an illusion for idiots. Grey matter, reflexes and most of all attention to detail while driving are your only sure-fire safety mechanisms.
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    Image of ragtopdodge ragtopdodge
    11/18/09

    @cgates1: means nothing if some a-hole is texting while drinking coffee runs a red light in her Escalade into your car.
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    FTGDWolverineEdition'09 promoted this comment ragtopdodge was starred ragtopdodge was unstarred
    Image of grzydj grzydj
    11/18/09

    @SubieBlast:
    Can you think of a time where you could really accelerate your way out of trouble? I used to think the same thing when I had a WRX, but getting on the binders was always the safest way to avoid trouble.
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    Image of Sth002000 Sth002000
    11/18/09

    @grzydj: This one time I was driving my WRX down a ski slope while Druggie Types on snowboards chased me. I accelerated away from them before they had a chance to peer-pressure me into doing dope with them.
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    Image of SubieBlast SubieBlast
    11/19/09

    @grzydj: ever driven an older Porshe through a turn and encautered oversteer. Power through=good. Take you'r foot of the accelerator=death.

    #tips
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Single most important safety feature: an alert driver. Everything else is bandaids to minimize the consequences of the driver's failure, both of this vehicle and of those around him.
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    Edited by Elhigh at 11/18/09 7:57 AM Elhigh was starred Elhigh was unstarred
    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List

    I guess it would be best to drive in overstuffed furniture. That would, you know, cushion any impacts.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/18/09

    @DoctorNine: Where's the cup holders?!
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    Image of Spinnetti Spinnetti
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    All I know is that we were recently in a crash and the car performed EXACTLY as these tests indicated it would, right down to the injuries sustained. I wasn't a believer before, but I'll believe these tests over any auto manufacturer claims any day!
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    Image of YankBoffin YankBoffin
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    Wow, a Sebring superlative that does begin with the word "worst."
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    Image of Battles Battles
    11/18/09

    In reply to BMW, Toyota Don't Make IIHS 2010 Top Safety List
    "Volvo managed the same despite having belts on their XC60 disengage in a side-crash." - why is that not an instant fail, or at least a trigger for a re-test and an investigation?
    If a Volvo with defectve seatbelts can get a high rating, doesn't that undermine the argument for wearing the things in the first place?
    Does it undermine the whole testing programme?
    I know that PJ O'Rourke had issues with seatbelts at one point* but, assuming he hasn't changed his position, I don't think he'll be dashing down to the Volvo dealership to get a car that is stamped 'SAFE' despite not having functioning seatbelts.
    Seatbelts are at the centre of almost all current passenger safety programmes and most manufacturers even tell you that airbags will only help if you have a seatbelt holding you in place.

    *I recall an interview with PJ O'Rourke in Top Gear magazine during the late nineties in which he mentioned not liking seatbelts because he didn't want to be compelled to stay in a car that was about to crash.
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    Novaload promoted this comment Battles was starred Battles was unstarred
    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/18/09

    @Battles: I wondered about that too. I'm thinking "disengage" means they failed to "engage" -- i.e. reel up really tight when inertia or collision trigger senses Danger! Danger! Danger!
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    11/18/09

    @Novaload: @Battles:

    A piece of plastic came lose and actually depressed the button disengaging the belt.
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    Image of ssurfer321 ssurfer321
    11/18/09

    @battles & Novaload: It was a fluke. A trim piece pressed the seatbelt release button on a side impact test. They did re-test, if you cared to read the entire press release. They also notified Volvo and Volvo is fixing all models manufactured before November 2009.
    lack of reading you
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    Image of Rabbi Dave Rabbi Dave
    11/18/09

    @Battles: the only XC60s that are recommended are those built AFTER the fix was implemented which is this month. Otherwise XC60 owners can take their cars to the dealer to get it fixed.
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