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2010 Jaguar XF S Diesel Better, Faster, Gets 35 MPG

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MushyHeirloom
12/29/08

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On the other hand, my mother was shocked that this was a Jaguar.

The bad sort of "shocked".

At least we're not the target audience.
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Deartháir II
12/29/08

@FuzzyPlushroom: I am the target audience, and they have one on display at West Edmonton Mall right now... every time I go there, I probably spend about a half hour drooling over it. They really are quite striking in person.

The $80k price tag is also quite striking, however.
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Novaload
12/29/08

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Speaking of Jags, I wonder how that big boy did at Lemons yesterday? It sure looked cool. Jags were just mean to have a couple of yards of hood.
Not that this is bad--the front is very nice. I hope the center pieces on the left/right vents spring out like daggers--they kinda look like they might and that would be way cool.
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UDMan
12/29/08

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Hello guys, this car is primarily aimed at the Euro market, where Diesel doesn't have the cost disadvantages we have here in the US. So it's a good deal for them, not so much for us.
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Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
12/29/08

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Do want. But I'm still struggling to understand gas at $1.44 and diesel at $2.49. Performance gains aside, the economics of it are currently dead.
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Gearhead_42 - Nibbles ate my garage!
12/29/08

@The Name's Ash78, Housewares: Huh, and I thought PA taxed the crap out of diesel. $1.65 gas versus $2.35 diesel this morning is approaching economic equilibrium!
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DoctorNine
12/29/08

@The Name's Ash78, Housewares: The major changes in the refining techniques for diesel, in order to get to the ultra-low sulfur content levels required by recent legislation, are the reason. The hardware to do that has to be paid for. We are now paying for it. No big deal to me really. We are still paying much less than most people around the world, and getting a much much superior diesel product. Besides, the economics of the change are the least important reason to go diesel. Biodiesel is naturally lower in sulfur. So developing vehicles with high output diesel engines will allow us to transition to algae diesel or sewage diesel bioproducts. Also, diesel is higher in specific energy content, so it is a better fuel than other liquid alternatives. Gasoline is going away. We have to develop something else, and the sooner the better.
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Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
12/29/08

@Gearhead_42: Yeah, that one station was the first full-dollar difference I've seen in my lifetime. Apparently the US is still exporting a lot of its diesel to Europe and Asia, creating a domestic shortage for a product we make. And you gotta love the fact that our entire ground transportation infrastructure is based on diesel. As a small example of that, my Christmas UPS shipping ran arond $85 this year (normally under $50).
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Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
12/29/08

@DoctorNine Percent Sales Tax Post Holiday Discounts!: Nice explanation.

I had heard the 2005-06 heating oil shocks had a lot to do with it, but didn't realize the ULSD hardware had such large "sunk costs" in them.

You mention "superior product," but I read recently that even the revised ULSD in the US is a lower cetane than standard Euro pump diesel.

My biggest concern is that, right now, the % premium on diesel fuel is such that very few will be enticed to buy a diesel car. It's pretty crucial toward the technology's acceptance, as VW and BMW are both pushing their diesels pretty hard. When the economics don't work out, the average joe can't be bothered with it. When gas was $4 and diesel was $5, it was a little more understandable (not that I'm wishing for that again!)
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Deartháir II
12/29/08

@DoctorNine Percent Sales Tax Post Holiday Discounts!: ...will allow us to transition to algae diesel or sewage diesel bioproducts...

It's called SoylentDiesel, goddammit; how are we ever supposed to get the name to catch on if even Jalops don't use it!
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