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    Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt

    Rumor: GM To NOT Put Chevy Volt Program On Hold, Cut Engineering Staff Tomorrow

    Chevy Volt Engine Won't Recharge Batteries While Driving; Just A Regular Plug-In Hybrid?

    Production Chevy Volt Press Photos Revealed, Now Without Engineers!

    Chevy Volt: Taste The Rainbow

    Edmunds Thinks Chevy Volt Design Is "Huge Disappointment," "Completely Unacceptable"

    Chevy Volt To Get Occasional Power From Cruze's 1.4-Liter Inline Four-Cylinder

    Rick Wagoner Announces We May See Chevy Volt Sheetmetal Soon, Eventually

    2011 Chevy Volt To Be Priced Under $30,000?

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    Image of jduffy13 jduffy13
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    Hey GM, we're already plugged in because you already HAD an electric car before, remember you dopes?


    God they are so freaking brain dead.


    Who is running that company? Squirrels?

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    02/03/09

    @jduffy13: I'm not sure, but nuts are definitely involved.
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    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    "In Eco-USA parked cars power You!"
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    Image of Feds Feds
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    Alright kids, the technology exists, and there are a couple ways to get there:


    1. Smart meters in your house. Shows you the current price of electricity. Utilities jack up the price of your electricity when demand is high, and you subsequently turn down the AC/turn off the electric car. Self policing through economics.


    2. Ever go to Europe? In my house in Italy, you a fixed wattage, something like 5000W, period. Above that, and your government-installed breaker trips.


    3. Buy an electric car, get a free block heater timer. Set it to turn on at midnight.

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    Image of skierpage skierpage
    02/03/09

    @Feds:

    4. At times of high demand the power company can tap electricity in plug-in car batteries instead of firing up a dirty "peaker" plant. Then customers get to jack up the price to the utility! You could be your own energy trader à la Enron.


    (I considered time-of-day pricing for the Net Energy Metering I got with my solar panels, but I don't have a lot of excess generation to sell back to the power company on hot afternoons so it wasn't worth it.)

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    Image of FЯeeMan FЯeeMan
    02/04/09

    @skierpage: Except that many peak plants aren't dirty. Coal gassification is starting to come into its own, and that's a very clean way of burning coal.
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    Image of petersterncan petersterncan
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    Plug in ready?


    Hmmm...


    Does your house have electricity? Check.


    Does it have power outlets? Check.


    Looks like you're 'Plug-in Ready'.


    Want faster charge times with a 220V outlet? Do you have an outlet for your dryer? Check.


    These "challenges" are largely fictional.


    If we have the capacity to run an A/C unit in every home during the day, then we have the capacity to recharge an electric car in every home at night.


    And if peak loads get to be too much, the solutions are simple:

    -get people to turn off the A/C

    -get people to ditch the incandescent bulbs

    -build another power plant

    -Give people incentives to put solar panels on their Roofs and/or windmills in their back yards

    -get people to convert to gas stoves and dryers

    -get more people to dry their clothes using clothes lines instead of always using dryers... just like our parents used to.

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    02/03/09

    @petersterncan: Sir, you are making entirely too much sense...go stand in the corner.
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    Image of d3c509b aka Steve d3c509b aka Steve
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    Random point. In previous press shots the plug was on Driver side (which I thought was odd). Also at the NAIAS it was on driver side.:


    and now it is on the passenger side? Driver side seems odd place for charging on the streetside.

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    02/03/09

    @d3c509b: Five bucks says nobody at GM catches this before production.
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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    02/03/09

    @d3c509b: Good point, and the easiest answer from an end-user perspective would be plugs on BOTH sides...
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    02/03/09

    @d3c509b: if you look next to our finely mustached friend here you'll notice plugs on both sides.



    Perhaps GM isn't as inept as we thought they were

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    02/03/09

    @Fourstring85: Wow, GM was actually willing to spend the extra two bucks to add an extra plug. That's a first.
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    Image of layabout layabout
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    Slightly off thread,but still relevant. Recently i read an article about LCD & Plasma televisions,the point of it was that the electricity grids in countries such as America & the U.K. can't cope with much more demand due to the increase in power used by modern tele's. In the past the average television used around 3% of a households daily electric useage where as new televisions use around 20% of a households daily electric useage. It even mentioned that laws will come in dictating the maximum power useage of new electrical goods. If that is in fact the case,how will the power grids cope if electric cars do become popular? (trying to find the original article)
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    Image of Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig) Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
    02/03/09

    @layabout now with V8 power: I was reading about that recently, as well.


    Seems like what happened was that many businesses touted LCD monitors over CRTs as a way to save on power. LCDs have a nearly absolute advantage over CRT monitors in efficiency.


    However, with TVs, it's just about equal on a square-inch basis. But since most people are buying larger LCDs than their old CRTs, it's a net increase in power consumption for most households.


    And plasmas use the most power of all three.

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    Image of layabout layabout
    02/03/09

    @Ash78: Yeah,that's probably the same article. I couldn't remember the exact facts & can't find where i read it either. But that sounds right.
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    Image of Timtoolman, sporadically speaking Timtoolman, sporadically speaking
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    While I applaud the resurgence of alternative technologies in automaking, I have to wonder how an abundance and encumbrance of these vehicles will have on a given city's power grid? Seems a lot of municipalities suffer every summer due to increased electric usage and the threat of brownouts.
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    02/03/09

    @Timtoolman, now with power tools!: Ssssh! We're not supposed to know that!


    Don't take us down with you when the Green Gestapo come to take you away.

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    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    Yeah, that'd be great if they'd actually build the car. Any car. Like the Cruze, which would be so much more useful.
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    Image of RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment RLJ676-LS3 Commuter Car - for the environment
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    Has anyone quantified how much enviromental impact a traditional coal burning plant has when creating the power for, say, the 40 mile electric range? How about the batteries and it's products mining, etc, over the milage of the car? Basically, is it really signifigantly worth all this without much greater nuclear power utilization?


    Sort of like the study that says a H2 has less enviromental impact than the Prius over their lifetimes.

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    Image of Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig) Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
    02/03/09

    @rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: Great question...been wondering that myself for several years.


    The brightest people who have addressed this basically say "it depends on how far you live from the power plant, as well as the method of that plant's production."


    So it'd be ironically hilarious to make some rural Colorado hippie cry because he's 100 miles from a coal-burning plant, therefore his car has a higher carbon footprint than an urban gas-guzzler near a hydro plant. He'd probably lock himself inside his geodesic dome for a week.

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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    02/03/09

    @rlj676-Carbon Footprint Size - Clownshoe: Actually, the hybrids as worse for the environment "study" has been thoroughly debunked on many fronts:


    [www.pacinst.org]


    [www.thecarconnection.com]


    [www.mailonsunday.co.uk]


    And as far as pollution output, there are some studies out saying coal fired plants are some percentage better (can't recall) even taking into account the transmission losses due to a centralized and much more effective scrubbing system.

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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    Good for GM. I figured, what with their current situation, they'd just make the car and leave the buyers to figure out where to power up. Nonetheless, I foresee a rise in electricity theft. You know. Like internet theft (when someone pulls up near your house and sits with their laptop on for many minutes), only they'll be sneaking around your house looking for an outdoors outlet.
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    Image of c0de c0de
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    i still don't buy this whole plug-in EV crap, or hybrids for that matter. a plausible solution would be something like the Honda FCX Clarity.
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    Image of zeeboid zeeboid
    02/03/09

    @c0de: so lets all switch to hydrogen tomorrow. oh wait, you can't...
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    02/03/09

    @zeeboid: c0de does have a point,ok it can't be done overnight. But if everyone switched to electric cars that could possibly be even more harmful to the environment as most electricity is coal or nuclear generated. None of the above interest me as an enthusiast,but hope a viable option appears so enthusiasts can keep on burning oil.
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    Image of Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig) Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
    02/03/09

    In reply to Chevy Announces "Plug-In-Ready" Initiative To Wire Communities For Volt
    SF and DC...definitely the highest proportion of Prii and the like. The really interesting thing will be to see if the technology transcends those cities' aversion to domestic badging.
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    Image of zeeboid zeeboid
    02/03/09

    @Ash78: no kidding. for those who realy dig purcahsing "local produce" and buying stuff not form big evil Walmart but your Local store, and hate big evil companies who outsource, you would think they wouldn't be purchasing automobiles manufactured by companies that are not "local" either.


    hy·poc·ri·sy (hĭ-pŏk'rĭ-sē) n.


    1.The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
    2.An act or instance of such falseness.


    and using the arguement that "honda makes some cars here" doesn't make up for the fact that 80% of automobile parts made in the united states go to domestic automobile production, and the money you give by purchasing an american car goes to a country who's best intrests lie in the United States... buy local, buy american, that includes your car.

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    Image of theeastbaykid theeastbaykid
    02/03/09

    @zeeboid: Not sure I would have bought a Lumina if it meant saving the whole world, let alone the U.S. Thanks for the lesson on hypocrisy, but what's the definition of shooting yourself in the foot and then asking for bailout money to pay the medical bills?
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    Image of POLAЯ ON PЯOBATION POLAЯ ON PЯOBATION
    11/07/08

    In reply to Rumor: GM To NOT Put Chevy Volt Program On Hold, Cut Engineering Staff Tomorrow
    Maybe John McCain should run for President of GM! It's probably a more challenging job then the last one he applied for!
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    Image of SeanKHotay SeanKHotay
    11/07/08

    @POLAЯMISSESEVEЯYBODY: Was this comment submitted in your unconscious, sasn-Klonopin wafer state?
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    Image of SeanKHotay SeanKHotay
    11/07/08

    Sorry, I'm drinking early again, this time the cheap stuff...


    Re-publishing..>ehem<
    Was this comment submitted in your unconscious, sans-Klonopin wafer state?

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    Image of POLAЯ ON PЯOBATION POLAЯ ON PЯOBATION
    11/07/08

    @SeanKHotay: I'm at work, so I'm pretty sure I'm unconscious?!?!


    Gotta go, later!!

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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    11/07/08

    @POLAЯMISSESEVEЯYBODY: GM does not need two Bob Lutzs.
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    Image of POLAЯ ON PЯOBATION POLAЯ ON PЯOBATION
    11/07/08

    In reply to Rumor: GM To NOT Put Chevy Volt Program On Hold, Cut Engineering Staff Tomorrow
    That's great, JUST GREAT! Thanks a lot guy who's directly related to someone who could be directly affected! You wanna know who's directly affected? ME! What the Hell am I supposed tell my electrician neighbor, the one I bragged to the whole time he put the industrial strength wall plug in my garage that I was getting a Volt! Huh? And just what excuse am I supposed to come up with when I go to return the customized decorative stenciled extension cord I bought at Bed Bath & Beyond, huh? I practically let the whole store know it was for my Volt!!
    I have been Scrapbooking my heart out, collecting Volt Ads and news stories. I silk screened pretty Volt shirts for the entire family to wear on our Volt outings. I even made my own toy car Volt out of paper mache!
    So the way I see it GM, you can consider your options...

    One, you kill me, my attack Bichon Frisé kills you, the Volt dies anyway.


    Two, you lie, you accept the job, you run, I hunt you down, I kill you, and I kill your mothers for the aggravation you cause me.


    Three, you accept the job, you make some cars, you make some money, and you be a greener company.


    You better think about it reeeeeal hard Mr. GM guys, because nobidy makes me look like a pretentious arsehole! Am I an arsehole GM? Do I look like an arsehole?


    Ohhh... Ughh... were the HELL are my Klonopin wafers?


    **falls unconscious**

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    Image of JDisnidiet JDisnidiet
    11/07/08

    In reply to Rumor: GM To NOT Put Chevy Volt Program On Hold, Cut Engineering Staff Tomorrow
    Born dead, but if a mad scientist can hook it up to a bolt of lightning, then someone can yell "IT'S ALIVE!".


    Dang, Teri Garr sure looked hot...

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    Image of SeanKHotay SeanKHotay
    11/07/08

    @JDisnidiet: "Nice knockers!"
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