Sure, you can classify Clarkson's body in the category of things that "Haven't Gone Well," but he makes several good points about the Insight:
- It's not as refined as the Prius (which he hates as well);
- It's not so much a Green machine as a Smug person's status toy;
- Like the Prius, the production of its powertrains(s) borders on Allante-esque absurdity;
- Diesels are just as if not more fuel efficient, and for the Insight's money, you can buy one (in the UK.);
- CVTs suck 90% of the time.
I agree with all of this, as well as perhaps his best point: the money Honda will make selling these to suckers should go towards more rigorous development of vehicles that use something other than internal combustion of fossil fuels, if that's possible.
@Town of the Big House DLJ: The third point, though, is bunk. Remember again the text of the review, in which Clarkson states that Honda conducted a scientific study that determined the production of the Insight was not significantly more detrimental than that of a normal car. Then he goes on to say that he thinks that's rubbish and gives kind of a bogus reason.
Nickel is used in a lot of alloys, too, you know--alloys that are used in the steel that makes the car as you see it. That's harvested in the same mine as the battery stuff. And then, think about this: you're saving on materials in the Prius by not having an alternator or a real transmission, for example, too.
"the first of the new cars with their new power systems must be better than the last of the old ones. Or no one will buy them. That's a tall order...That's exactly what Honda has done with its other eco-car, the Clarity. Instead of using a petrol engine to charge up the electric motor's batteries, as happens on the Insight, the Clarity uses hydrogen: the most abundant gas in the universe.
The only waste product is water. The car feels like a car. And, best of all, the power it produces is so enormous, it can be used by day to get you to 120mph and by night to run all the electrical appliances in your house. This is not science fiction. There is a fleet of Claritys running around California right now."
So there you have it. Nickel batteries and lithium-ion = teh sux
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Wow, he really does sound American (or Aussie or Canadian), and very Jalop, too.
I've read the following put forth several different ways, but like this one best:
The nickel for the battery has to come from somewhere. Canada, usually. It has to be shipped to Japan, not on a sailing boat, I presume. And then it must be converted, not in a tree house, into a battery, and then that battery must be transported, not on an ox cart, to the Insight production plant in Suzuka. And then the finished car has to be shipped, not by Thor Heyerdahl, to Britain, where it can be transported, not by wind, to the home of a man with a beard who thinks he's doing the world a favour.
@Dhillaz: Oh, yeah, I'm keeping it though. Roll up to the light to the whine of regenerative braking, fire up the 455 (or whatever), and when it turns green, pull off quite thoroughly.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Clarkson is more American than he lets on. I think he's a secret American wanna-be. He loved the H2, he loved that old battered Camaro he drove from Miami to New Orleans on that classic episode, he's loud, abrasive, and likes to blow sh*t up. He's like the caricature of an American.
@mechimike: Count Hammond among the presenters who wouldn't mind being American. And I paraphrase: "What if [the new Camaro] turns out to be really great?"
He also owns a Mustang, on purpose, enjoyed the new Dodge Challenger, enjoyed his big Dodge pickup perhaps too much, and like many Americans, hates exotic food.
I'm less of an American than Clarkson is, if you use sterotypical standards. I loves me some sushi and I've yet to own a car screwed together by folks who take afternoon tea.
@mechimike: I remember him being critical of the interior, size (for English roads), and the steering. Then he got on the gas and got a huge smile on his face.
Hell, aren't we the same way? We criticize the G8's interior, but lust for one nonetheless.
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- It's not as refined as the Prius (which he hates as well);
- It's not so much a Green machine as a Smug person's status toy;
- Like the Prius, the production of its powertrains(s) borders on Allante-esque absurdity;
- Diesels are just as if not more fuel efficient, and for the Insight's money, you can buy one (in the UK.);
- CVTs suck 90% of the time.
I agree with all of this, as well as perhaps his best point: the money Honda will make selling these to suckers should go towards more rigorous development of vehicles that use something other than internal combustion of fossil fuels, if that's possible.
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Nickel is used in a lot of alloys, too, you know--alloys that are used in the steel that makes the car as you see it. That's harvested in the same mine as the battery stuff. And then, think about this: you're saving on materials in the Prius by not having an alternator or a real transmission, for example, too.
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"the first of the new cars with their new power systems must be better than the last of the old ones. Or no one will buy them. That's a tall order...That's exactly what Honda has done with its other eco-car, the Clarity. Instead of using a petrol engine to charge up the electric motor's batteries, as happens on the Insight, the Clarity uses hydrogen: the most abundant gas in the universe.
The only waste product is water. The car feels like a car. And, best of all, the power it produces is so enormous, it can be used by day to get you to 120mph and by night to run all the electrical appliances in your house. This is not science fiction. There is a fleet of Claritys running around California right now."
So there you have it. Nickel batteries and lithium-ion = teh sux
H2O - way to go
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Small problem with that H2, btw. Ya gotta make said H2.
Currently, it's priced in left nuts/liter.
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I've read the following put forth several different ways, but like this one best:
The nickel for the battery has to come from somewhere. Canada, usually. It has to be shipped to Japan, not on a sailing boat, I presume. And then it must be converted, not in a tree house, into a battery, and then that battery must be transported, not on an ox cart, to the Insight production plant in Suzuka. And then the finished car has to be shipped, not by Thor Heyerdahl, to Britain, where it can be transported, not by wind, to the home of a man with a beard who thinks he's doing the world a favour.
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Although I think I'd tend to agree with him in principle, if not in degree. On balance I suspect the Insight is harmless.
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"...hybrid cars are designed solely to milk the smug and stʁolling playeʁ."
There, fixed it for you.
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But they did milk you for the engine: you're not going to want that anyway since you have to replace it with the LS1.
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He also owns a Mustang, on purpose, enjoyed the new Dodge Challenger, enjoyed his big Dodge pickup perhaps too much, and like many Americans, hates exotic food.
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I'm less of an American than Clarkson is, if you use sterotypical standards. I loves me some sushi and I've yet to own a car screwed together by folks who take afternoon tea.
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Though we don't have chav assholes to steal your firelighters here.
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Hell, aren't we the same way? We criticize the G8's interior, but lust for one nonetheless.