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    Image of Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet Van Sarockin, rogue trebuchet
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    Maybe Ford's right that it will get past the carpocalypso without any public funds. Sure hope this works out for them.


    The hybrid Fusion won't compete directly with the Volt. I think people will cross shop them with Honda and Toyota - so there needs to be a lot of extra room inside, or a higher level of interior content to justify the additional thousands of dollars.


    I doubt most folks will by the hybrid in order to save money. They'll do it for their conscience, to be technology adapters, because their worried about future fuels availability of price volatility, or because they think it's cool. A lot of overlap there with the performance market, that is also willing to pay substantial surcharges that aren't linked to economic returns.


    And if our young Tempo Fanatic puts one of them in his garage, the smug will be deafening! wonder how well the batteries perform up in Alaska? There might be a substantial decline in range due to chilling.

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    Image of Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig) Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    I'm addicted to wagon. But this would be first on my list among all low-$20k offerings if they made one.
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    03/02/09

    @Ash78: It would be cool if they'd drop the hybrid drivetrain in the edge, which is kind of wagon-esque.


    They could call it the Hybridge

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    03/02/09

    @Graverobber: Don't encourage them. We want them to start understanding that a XUV is not the same thing as a wagon.
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    03/02/09

    @Deartháir supports engineerd in his star-quest: I disagree. I'm all for wagons, hell I even like minivans for the efficiencies they provide. I also like tall cars (and keep in mind, I'm talking about efficient transportation modules here, not sporty stuff) because of the ability to sit up and have more space in less length. That's something I like about the Ford Flex- it's pretty tall, which moves the h-point up and gives you a voluminous interior with a smaller footprint.


    That and I'm feeling contrarian today.

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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    I was poking and prodding at the new Fusion on Saturday. It's very nice, they've done an excellent job, and the interior feels classy and well-made. They didn't quite hide the places where they saved money on interior materials well enough for my tastes -- one spot is actually where your hand rests when you're in a neutral driving position -- but otherwise it feels solid and stylish.


    Unfortunately, it looks better in photos than it does in person. It doesn't look bad, not by any stretch of the imagination, but I was looking for it, and I walked past it twice.


    Still, Toyota has made great gobs of cash by selling boring vanilla vehicles. Maybe Ford's on the right track.

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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/02/09

    @Deartháir supports engineerd in his star-quest: The styling of the Fusion isn't really anything to write home about, but I find it more interesting than the Camry or Accord. It has a bit more flair, without being too eye catching.


    Perfect for a getaway car.

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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    You know what, this is really a competent package from Ford. I'd say that apart from the F-150 and the Flex, this is the first truly modern Ford that really leads its class. I bought an Accord 2 years ago, but if I was gonna buy a sedan again...I might go for this instead. I know, weird.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    That hybrid pricing means it will take a long time to pay it off. With gas at $2/gal. and 12,000 miles per year of 50/50 city/highway driving, it will take over 63 years to pay off the $8000 price differential between the I4 and Hybrid models. Although, can you really put a price on smug?


    The big story is increase from 29 mpg highway to 34 mpg highway for the I4 with manual tranny. That's more than 10% increase in fuel economy!


    Impressive for anyone.

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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    03/02/09

    @engineerd: It looks like the SEL and Hybrid are similarly priced if you get the full tax credit. Assuming you do not qualify for a tax credit, at the $3300 price differential and the same conditions as above it will take 26 years to pay off the price differential.
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    Image of AzCajita AzCajita
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    Being 6'-4" I hope this thing has room for an adult to sit behind me! The only reason I'm haning on to my 06 xB is the room inside with 30+ MPG's...
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    03/02/09

    @AzCajita: I'm 6'1", and wandered through the 2010 Fusion on Saturday. I had plenty of seating room in the driver's seat, and there was still room -- if not "ample", at least "sufficient" -- in the seat behind me.
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    Image of combat chuck combat chuck
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    $8,000 premium for the hybrid? No way you'll make that up in better fuel economy over the life of the car. Unless the oil market goes through the roof again, which it undoubtedly will at some point.
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    Image of Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig) Das ASHloch (achtundsiebzig)
    03/02/09

    @combat chuck: Don't forget, half that premium is actually the other features. The hybrid is based on the midrange version of the car.


    Personally, I'd like to see hybrids with barebones options (say, $24,000). Seems like that might appeal even more to the frugality in the market.

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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    Its actually not too bad. I want one exactly like that one except for turbo V6, AWD and black with less chrome. Yeah thats it.
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    Image of Onion_Volcano Onion_Volcano
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    I don't even know what ford has anymore. A fusion? Is that really what they are naming their cars these days? No brand identity. Just random cars with new names every year.
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    Image of Pessimippopotamus Pessimippopotamus
    03/02/09

    @Onion_Volcano: Dude. Fusion's been around for 4 years already.
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    I love this car. It is not pretentious at all, and it looks great.


    I don't notice any real smug, maybe a trace of it exists, but it is practically imperceptible.

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    Image of wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx
    03/02/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli: I completely agree. No Prius douchery. At all.
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    Image of elwood elwood
    03/02/09

    @wrx-tyrannosaurusWrx: No, there's no Prius douchery. There's the "buy American" smugness, though.
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    Image of SirNotAppearing SirNotAppearing
    03/02/09

    @elwood: Does that exist? Maybe somewhere in the midwest. I haven't seen it.
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    Image of fodder650 fodder650
    03/02/09

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion Pricing Starts At $19,995, Hybrid At $27,995
    Ford Tempo Fanatic your new ride is ready
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    Image of SirNotAppearing SirNotAppearing
    03/02/09

    @fodder650: No, this Fusion is too much bondage, not enough discipline.
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    Image of ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig. ☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig.
    12/15/08

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion: First Drive
    Okay Ford..I'll buy one if it comes with 10 years of unlimited repairs and you'll guarantee its resale value when it's time to buy another car.


    What's that, you say? That would cost Ford five, ten, or fifteen thousand dollars over the life of each car???


    I rest my case for buying a Japanese car.

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    12/16/08

    @☠Grя, etc.: Resale value is due primarily to consumer perception (and secondarily to rental fleets, which also lower the public's opinion - look at this gutless base model, etc.). As for repairs, I'd be just as confident in this as I would any other new midsize car (more so than a Chrysler, mind).
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    12/15/08

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion: First Drive
    I've said it before - leave all the junk off. Build a car that covers the basics, and then make the most of the basics. Boom: winner.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    12/15/08

    @Elhigh: From my experience, that would be the Subaru Impreza. There ain't NO frills on those things, at least the more base-model ones I've driven. Can't speak to the WRX, but the lower models... I'm not even sure they bothered with sound deadening material.


    And I gotta admit... I quite liked it.

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    Image of Jeb_Hoge Jeb_Hoge
    12/15/08

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion: First Drive
    The 1995-97 Contour SE and the 1998-2000 SVT models were seriously good drivers (for being front-engine, front-drive, if we must be pedantic). I just hope that Ford finds an opportunity to put some more power in a manual transmission model, even if it's a limited edition.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    12/16/08

    @Jeb_Hoge: Amen, brother. The only thing wrong with my '97 Mystique is the endlessly-vibrating Box of -5 Power bolted behind the engine. Handles wonderfully for what it is.
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    Image of MBsam MBsam
    12/15/08

    In reply to 2010 Ford Fusion: First Drive
    I LOVE the "class-leading" style comment on the interior photos. Like seriously?
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    Image of Wes Siler Wes Siler
    12/16/08

    @MBsam: Have you seen the rest of the class?
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