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jedchev
09/10/09

In reply to Fisker Gives Karma 67.2 MPG Estimated Fuel Economy Rating, Beats All Current Hybrids
This car has what it takes. All of the other hybrids are uglier, more expensive and slower than their rivals. People buy them to pay their penance for the sins of big, bad society. Like a hairshirt or a cilice, a Prius fulfills the mortification role in the environmentalist religion.

With the Fisker, you have a car that's competitively priced compared to a Panamera or a Quattroporte, looks better than both and doesn't shirk in the horsepower department. Hooray for making a hybrid that isn't an automotive Purgatory.
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skierpage
09/10/09

@jedchev: Ooh, you're such a drama queen. One would expect the most economical and least-polluting new car on the road (besides a Tesla Roadster) to be a tiny two-seater like the Smart fortwo or a rolling plastic experiment, and then indeed committed environmentalists would be the main customers. Instead, it's a mid-size reasonably-priced 5-passenger high-tech practical hatchback appliance that's one of the most reliable cars in surveys. "Purgatory" is a strange adjective for it.

In 2010 people will finally be able to spend more to get a more economical car. Choice is good.
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Pessimippopotamus
09/09/09

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Wait. Wasn't this posted yesterday? The hamsters powering the Matrix must be getting hungry again.
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Fletch Lives
09/09/09

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How can it possible take 6 seconds for a 400Hp car with a ton of torque to get to 60. Something is wrong there.
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Turboner
09/09/09

@Fletch Lives: Exactly what I was thinking. More torque than many supercars (more torque than 3 veyrons?), or more torque than most supercars? It doesn't matter how you read it, it should be faster. My wife's car does 0-60 in six seconds ffs.
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Jones Foyer
09/09/09

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Plug-in hybrid numbers seem like a cheat to me, like getting parking at the top of Pike's Peak and taking advantage of potential energy to get numbers at the bottom of the hill. What are the mileage numbers without plugging it in? That's what I want to know.
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skierpage
09/09/09

@Jones Foyer: Plug-in numbers aren't a cheat, if your driving is all-electric mode they really are dirt cheap to run and produce less emissions overall. But MPG equivalent, cost per km, and CO2 numbers are stupid for all-electric mode. The testable figures are how many kWh it takes to go 10 miles and the all-electric range, both for city and highway cycles. That will tell people if all-electric mode will work for them. People know their electricity cost per kWh and their utility provider should provide CO2 emissions per kWh.

Once the engine runs there are many questions and none have simple answers. Your "What are the mileage numbers without plugging it in?" presumably means the EPA runs the car at a constant speed until the battery is depleted and the engine turns on, then they measure MPG on conventional city and highway cycles. That's very useful, but the details are mind-numbingly complex (Google "SAE J1711").
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GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls
09/09/09

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What's with the .2?

They must have been incredibly anal with their testing regimen if they're reporting to the tenth of a gallon. Why would you ever do that? If I hear a flat "67 MPG", that's essentially good for anything from 66.5 to 67.4... allowing a bit of wiggle room and "real world results may vary". 67.2 makes me take that number with a HUUUUGE grain of salt - surely I'll never recreate whatever scenario provided that exact number during whatever phase of the moon.

What next? Pissing contests over mileage to the .001 gallon?

Decimal places belong in lap times, not economy ratings.
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MyDinnerWithAndreDawson
09/09/09

@Goingincirclez: suspect is the conversion of 3.5L/100KM (the European way of measuring fuel economy) to MPG
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GIC asks not for whom the bell tolls
09/09/09

@MyDinnerWithAndreDawson: Hmm. Good thought, thanks. Still, even if that were the case, I would round the figure even (as per reasons I stated above).
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Alfisted
09/09/09

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Fisker may have the edge now but I'm sure the official EPA numbers will be cut. As far as styling, it is a sharp looking sedan.
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aSoundofSleep-less nights
09/09/09

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I wouldn't buy one even if it got 100mpg and had a fellate me while I drive option. Not only because it's uglier than a pile of flaming cat diarrhea but it's so expensive that returning your investment on fuel economy is nearly impossible. The same goes for the Volt or any Tesla. Sure, all of the Hollywood hipster douche-canoes are going to want one but how relevant to actual society is their opinion anyway?
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MushyHeirloom
09/09/09

@aSoundofSleep Part Douchecanoe: I really don't have much to say about this, I just wanted to tell you that I damn near had tears in my eyes after reading this. Welcome back.
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aSoundofSleep-less nights
09/09/09

@FP: Your Volvo is awesome! Anyway:
Ha, thanks. Nice "Part Douchecanoe" addition you have there.
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Hello Mister Walrus
09/09/09

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You can't compare the fuel economy of a non-plug in Prius to that of a plug-in hybrid...
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Turboner
09/09/09

@Hello Mister Walrus: It's never been proven to me that you can't compare apples to oranges. Sure, it's not fair, but politicians do it all the time, why not automakers? Aren't they the same thing, afterall? ;)
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