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    Image of Ford Tempo Fanatic Ford Tempo Fanatic
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    Or we could just put the shitty tires and shitty rims from my ma's Silverado on them and see what happens.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    It's polite to include a link to the original post.
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    10/09/09

    @Mad_Science: Particularly if you're going to straight-up copy their last line:
    [blogs.insideline.com]
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    Image of JalopyPixellatedViscera JalopyPixellatedViscera
    10/11/09

    @Mad_Science: Terrible form, Ray!
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    10/12/09

    @Mad_Science: Oh, see, we normally do link. In fact, we love showing our readers cool stuff on the web even if it's not ours.

    It's just we thought "no link" is the new link etiquette these days from Edmunds given their recent non-linkage to us on our stories:

    [www.insideline.com]

    I give automotive outlets the same respect on links that they give us. When they don't respect our stories enough to link to us -- even quoting us -- we won't respect their stories enough to link to them.
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    Image of that ain't the way to have fun, son that ain't the way to have fun, son
    10/12/09

    @Ray Wert: I give automotive outlets the same respect on links that they give us. When they don't respect our stories enough to link to us -- even quoting us -- we won't respect their stories enough to link to them.

    Kudos!!
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    10/12/09

    @Ray Wert: I'd say there's a difference between a press release that you somehow had an exclusive on and original content like the Edmunds walkaround. Particularly given that it's their picture.

    You still have no excuse for copying their last line.

    Also, there's this whole concept of taking the high road, being the setting the better example. Just a thought.
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    10/12/09

    @Mad_Science: I disagree with you on both counts.

    For starters, it wasn't a press release. We interviewed him. The quote from our Q&A is just as much a product of our hard work as their sentence is.

    Secondly, if we'd taken the low road we would have run the story sans credit. Edmunds gets credit on this. In fact, we give them credit fully above the jump on our front page. They gave us credit too. Buried a bit, but they still gave it to us.

    You see, we're not arguing that they stole our story. We're arguing that if they want links where credit is given, they need to do the same with us. That's called being fair.
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    10/12/09

    @Ray Wert: Fair enough on the Press release Vs Interview. That's roughly fair tit-for-tat that they excerpted your quote and you grabbed their picture without a direct photo credit.

    Your line of argument here suggests to me that you intentionally created the post as a response to them picking up on your exclusive Delorean thing without a link.

    I still contend that taking the high road and being the better man is preferable to sinking to the levels of others.

    That's all debatable, but the big one for me is:
    They end with "lift with the knees" and you do the same. No quotes, no attribution. You put this forward like it's your own clever idea.

    From a creative integrity standpoint that's pretty weak.
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    10/12/09

    @Mad_Science: No offense, but I think you're seriously overreacting. The "lift with the knees" line is so trite as to be incapable of original attribution and unworthy of any other kind of attribution. It's no different with ending a weather story with "hot enough for ya?"
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    Image of Mad_Science Mad_Science
    10/12/09

    @snapoversteer should STFU because: I admit that it's small, but it's like when your friend copies some joke or something that you just delivered. It's just not cool.

    As far as making a big thing out of this, I observed that Ray didn't put a link over to the content he was referring to and pointed out that he copied the line. He brought up the not-linking pissing match justification.

    ...and since I keep harping on taking the high road and I'm not into abusing dead equines, I'm checking out of this little debate.
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    10/12/09

    @Mad_Science: It's fish dicks 2.0
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    Image of IN THE FACE! IN THE FACE!
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    I thought the 31x8s on my 4runner weighed a shit-ton... (and that was stock tire & wheel)

    Metric shit-ton BTW...
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    Image of HoonThatFerrari HoonThatFerrari
    10/09/09

    @IN THE FACE!: Then that would be shit-tonne.
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    10/10/09

    @HoonThatFerrari: But I wasn't using the Queen's English.
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    Image of cyanics cyanics
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    the 31x10.5x15s on my pathfinder weighed in around 100lbs. It was a bitch to get them mounted when you had a spare. At nearly 10x that weight, that is an utter joke. I mean, even 300lbs is well above most people's lifting capacity. Ford better crank out an onstar service pretty quick, or there will be alot of pissed off dead people in the middle of the desert.
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    Image of kolorfast kolorfast
    10/09/09

    @cyanics: *cough* decimal point *cough*
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    Image of HoonThatFerrari HoonThatFerrari
    10/09/09

    @kolorfast: Those darn low-resolution monitors, huh? lol

    "Hey, Triple-A??? Yeah, I'm out here stuck with a flat - can you send a tow truck... and a truss?"
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    Image of hypo - now with more avatar! hypo - now with more avatar!
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    Don't care. It could weigh 300 lbs and be filled with unicorn tears, as long as the truck drives the way everyone says it does I still want.
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    Image of discontinuuity has left the Jalop until further notice discontinuuity has left the Jalop until further notice
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    Dayum. If Collin Chapman ever did offroad racing, he'd be spinning in his grave right now.
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    Image of mechimike mechimike
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    That's just how an SVT rolls.
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    Image of Quattro-luvr Quattro-luvr
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    Who was in my house this morning taking pictures of me on the scale?
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    Image of Quattro-luvr Quattro-luvr
    10/09/09

    @Quattro-luvr: It's depressing to see your spare tire in the picture while you stand on the scale.
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    Image of clinto clinto
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!

    I think that is kind of silly, as one of my wheels and tires are only 135 lbs. and they are much bigger.

    And my wheels are steel!
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    Image of c0de c0de
    10/09/09

    @clinto: daily driver ?
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    Image of eggwich del fiero eggwich del fiero
    10/09/09

    @clinto: Is that the LX or the GT?
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    Image of fwa2500 fwa2500
    10/09/09

    @clinto: How is the deuce treating you? A friend and I have thought about buying one but don't know where we would park it.
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    clinto promoted this comment fwa2500 was starred fwa2500 was unstarred
    Image of clinto clinto
    10/09/09

    @fwa2500: Very good. They are great trucks. I will never be without one again. Buy them now while they are cheap.
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    Image of something_unique_and_descriptive something_unique_and_descriptive
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    Really not that heavy.

    My Sun box weighs in at 118lbs and it doesn't roll...
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    Image of philibuster philibuster
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    This causes my mass to become unsprung.
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    GreenN_Gold promoted this comment Edited by philibuster at 10/09/09 3:51 PM philibuster was starred philibuster was unstarred
    Image of M4XVLTG3 makes rotary love M4XVLTG3 makes rotary love
    10/09/09

    @philibuster: Bravo good Sir :Golf Clap:
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    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    10/09/09

    @philibuster: He he, excellent.
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    Image of Bumblebee Bumblebee
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    I'm not a truck guy so I could use some help in understanding what makes them weigh so much.

    My frame of reference is 45 lb 31x10.5s-on- 15"-steelies from my old CJ-7.
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    10/09/09

    @Bumblebee: wow, that seems waaay too light...
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    Image of HDC HDC
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    That's why things like this are worth every stinking penny.
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    Alfisted promoted this comment HDC was starred HDC was unstarred
    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/09/09

    @HDC: If you're not man enough to lift your spare, you should probably stay home and help the Mrs. paint her nails.
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    Image of HDC HDC
    10/09/09

    @Alfisted: I AM the Mrs. thank you very much. And the 32 inch MTR & allow combo on my TJ clocks in at around 80lb. so you'll have to excuse me if I don't feel the need to kill myself in order to rotate those bastards.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/09/09

    @HDC: Ooh. I beg your pardon, ma'am (tips big ol' sexist hat and walks away).
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    Image of HDC HDC
    10/09/09

    @Alfisted: Alright then.

    For what it's worth, every one of those extra pounds feels exponentially worse when you're trying to line up the bolt patterns with the studs and you're holding on to that wheel for dear life so you don't drop it on your foot. What a PITA.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    10/09/09

    @HDC: I hear you about the lining up thing but I've always found it more difficult down at the hub than on the tailgate rack. Something about holding all that weight a mere 3-4 inches off the ground.
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    Image of HDC HDC
    10/09/09

    @Alfisted: I've tried to lift the Jeep just high enough that the wheel's barely off the ground. Then I put a bit of scrap plywood below the wheel to minimize lifting when putting it back on.

    I've destroyed a few studs in my time (rim shot, please) so I try to use every mechanical advantage I can find to avoid putting in new ones again.
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    Image of Laurie Bridger Laurie Bridger
    10/09/09

    @HDC: I modified my Jeep's tire carrier by adding a pipe slightly smaller to than the inner diameter of my rims, and longer than the wheel studs to the center of my tire carrier. I also cut the end off at 45 degrees, longer side on the top.

    This makes it very easy to lift the tire up, drop it on to the pipe section so the pipe supports the weight, rotate it around to line it up then push it back on to the wheel studs.

    Can kinda see it here through the plate that holds the third brake light / camera.
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    Image of drewthat drewthat
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    OK, I've been away for a while and now I'm confused with the new commenting system. What are featured threads? How do you get your thread featured? What are these stars next to some people and not others. How do you get the stars? And I think I also saw some comments being voted up, how the heck do you do that?
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    10/09/09

    @drewthat: Upgrade to Jalopnik Gold today!
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    10/09/09

    In reply to An SVT Raptor Tire Weighs How Much?!
    This just in: oversize wheels and even bigger tires are way too heavy.
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