Sometime I wonder if a few of my fellow Jalops are car-retarded. This is a Technical Service Bulletin. Regardless of manufacturer, there are retarded TSB's all over that would make this look like serious business. I own a GTI and there is a TSB for VWs out there on how to orientate the VW light bulb balast so that the VW logo is right-side-up. Every manufacture has to issue these idiot-grade TSB's, so that a mechanic (I use that term loosely) in Arkansas could fix it.
@amorak: I also have to voice my displeasure with the amount of Canadian-bashing on this site. Canada has a controlled deficit, great socialized medicine and a higher quality of life. It's not very indearing to see the down and out lashing out.
8 YEARS! 8 years, GM! You had this car in the works at least half that time considering the first show car was in 2006.
8 YEARS!
And you still have quality problems. You have parts falling off, HVAC systems not working right, and wiring harnesses rubbing. This doesn't even mention the cracked fascias, battery cables rubbing, and brake weights.
8 YEARS!
This is one of the most anticipated launches of your company's history. Finally, the return of the General's pony car. Yet, you go and screw the pooch. Your penny pinching and myopia is going to ensure that your reputation remains in the gutter, even if other product is of much higher quality.
@engineerd: And as an aerospace engineer, who knows that many things can have development cycles of as much as 15 years, we know that nothing ever goes wrong when it's done and no unforeseen things ever happen, right?
Apollo 13, Challenger, Beagle II, Columbia...?
I'll grant that perhaps GM should have done a better job in the development cycle, but by the same token, there are some problems that simply don't rear their head until production begins and the products are out there on the market. That's par for any product in any industry, and certainly not unique to GM.
I'll roll my eyes with the rest at the thought of another GM recall, but on the other hand, I'll also give new GM credit for being proactive in going about admitting it and fixing it.
Not every automaker these days is good about that.
@pauljones: I think my biggest "problem" is what these issues are. The wing coming off? Really? That wasn't found during development, testing, preproduction runs and the myriad of other QC processes that are in place?
I fully understand that problems like this plague products across industries. However, for a car to be in development as long as the Camaro was (consider that most development cycles are on the order of 3 years, not 4+ years) and have these sorts of issues points to the exact reason why GM has problems with public perception of it's quality.
Toyota is no better, and admittedly benefits from a press that is isn't out to advertise it's every flaw. Ford had it's issues with the Focus launch. Chrysler...well, we'll let that one lie.
I pick on GM because they did have a longer-than-normal development cycle on the Camaro, from all appearances. And because they really need to stop with these silly quality issues if they are ever going to stand on their own and not lean on the American taxpayer. I jokingly started calling them American Leyland last fall, but they have done nothing to prove they are any different from British Leyland.
No Loctite? At all? I thought that blue Loctite or red Loctite were the only two choices when installing bolts. I guess common sense only applies in garages, where you're not paid by the hour.
@Tanshanomi: I remember hearing the story that the reason Chrysler was able to offer the 7/70 warranty back in the Iacoca days was they finally discovered Loctite.
@tafan69: There was a story I read just the other day about a 1969 Mach 1 Mustang Fastback that was purchased recently that only had around 4500 miles. The car was garage kept in near stock condition with I think even the original tires. The thing that shocked the new owner was how shoddy the factory workmanship was.
What amazes me is that cars that are newly released don’t have more problems than they do.
If only there were some guy they could hire, I don't know, who could grab the spoiler with both hands and yank on them in the throes of passion to ensure a solid fit.
its only a big deal because the person posted single incidents, go on to the 8th generation accord and it will blow that list away, all new cars have thier problems
I love it. Even on the complaint list they are using the buzz words like 'laser cut' as if its cutting edge tech (no pun intended). Europe called, said they want their laser back.
Hello...its made in the USA. You should come to expect these 'character' traits. Nothin' says 'merica like drunken UAW members mis-assembling your cars for $30 an hour.
1. Watch for spontaneous combustion. There is no fire extinguisher so just get the heck out of the car. Call your stock broker/money guy and tell him to move some stuff around to buy a new one. Photograph the burning hulk for Jalopnik.
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8 YEARS!
And you still have quality problems. You have parts falling off, HVAC systems not working right, and wiring harnesses rubbing. This doesn't even mention the cracked fascias, battery cables rubbing, and brake weights.
8 YEARS!
This is one of the most anticipated launches of your company's history. Finally, the return of the General's pony car. Yet, you go and screw the pooch. Your penny pinching and myopia is going to ensure that your reputation remains in the gutter, even if other product is of much higher quality.
There's a reason I call you American Leyland.
09/29/09
Apollo 13, Challenger, Beagle II, Columbia...?
I'll grant that perhaps GM should have done a better job in the development cycle, but by the same token, there are some problems that simply don't rear their head until production begins and the products are out there on the market. That's par for any product in any industry, and certainly not unique to GM.
I'll roll my eyes with the rest at the thought of another GM recall, but on the other hand, I'll also give new GM credit for being proactive in going about admitting it and fixing it.
Not every automaker these days is good about that.
*cough* Toyota *cough* *cough*
09/29/09
My ass will stop talking now.
But seriously, my point about GM still stands.
09/30/09
I fully understand that problems like this plague products across industries. However, for a car to be in development as long as the Camaro was (consider that most development cycles are on the order of 3 years, not 4+ years) and have these sorts of issues points to the exact reason why GM has problems with public perception of it's quality.
Toyota is no better, and admittedly benefits from a press that is isn't out to advertise it's every flaw. Ford had it's issues with the Focus launch. Chrysler...well, we'll let that one lie.
I pick on GM because they did have a longer-than-normal development cycle on the Camaro, from all appearances. And because they really need to stop with these silly quality issues if they are ever going to stand on their own and not lean on the American taxpayer. I jokingly started calling them American Leyland last fall, but they have done nothing to prove they are any different from British Leyland.
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There are three types of Loctite I normally run into in the shop. Red, Blue and Rust.
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- Our big, fat unionized autoworkers are every bit as GM-tastic as yours.
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What amazes me is that cars that are newly released don’t have more problems than they do.
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Trouble with that is that he might end up with one of his nuts inside the spoiler.
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[Ombudsman: Thiers an edit button now, you know.]
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I love it. Even on the complaint list they are using the buzz words like 'laser cut' as if its cutting edge tech (no pun intended). Europe called, said they want their laser back.
GM Marketing FTW!
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1. Watch for spontaneous combustion. There is no fire extinguisher so just get the heck out of the car. Call your stock broker/money guy and tell him to move some stuff around to buy a new one. Photograph the burning hulk for Jalopnik.
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My father has for years regaled me with the tale of how the driveshaft of the '69 would slam against the bottom of the car when changing gears.
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