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    Image of amorak amorak
    09/29/09

    In reply to GM Issues Service Bulletin To Repair Camaro Spoiler, Other Stuff
    Sometime I wonder if a few of my fellow Jalops are car-retarded. This is a Technical Service Bulletin. Regardless of manufacturer, there are retarded TSB's all over that would make this look like serious business. I own a GTI and there is a TSB for VWs out there on how to orientate the VW light bulb balast so that the VW logo is right-side-up. Every manufacture has to issue these idiot-grade TSB's, so that a mechanic (I use that term loosely) in Arkansas could fix it.
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    Ray Wert promoted this comment Edited by amorak at 09/29/09 5:00 PM amorak was starred amorak was unstarred
    Image of amorak amorak
    09/29/09

    @amorak: I also have to voice my displeasure with the amount of Canadian-bashing on this site. Canada has a controlled deficit, great socialized medicine and a higher quality of life. It's not very indearing to see the down and out lashing out.
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    Image of Ray Wert Ray Wert
    09/29/09

    @amorak: FWIW, the word is "endearing," my maple leaf-loving friend.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    09/29/09

    In reply to GM Issues Service Bulletin To Repair Camaro Spoiler, Other Stuff
    8 YEARS! 8 years, GM! You had this car in the works at least half that time considering the first show car was in 2006.

    8 YEARS!

    And you still have quality problems. You have parts falling off, HVAC systems not working right, and wiring harnesses rubbing. This doesn't even mention the cracked fascias, battery cables rubbing, and brake weights.

    8 YEARS!

    This is one of the most anticipated launches of your company's history. Finally, the return of the General's pony car. Yet, you go and screw the pooch. Your penny pinching and myopia is going to ensure that your reputation remains in the gutter, even if other product is of much higher quality.

    There's a reason I call you American Leyland.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    09/29/09

    @engineerd: And as an aerospace engineer, who knows that many things can have development cycles of as much as 15 years, we know that nothing ever goes wrong when it's done and no unforeseen things ever happen, right?

    Apollo 13, Challenger, Beagle II, Columbia...?

    I'll grant that perhaps GM should have done a better job in the development cycle, but by the same token, there are some problems that simply don't rear their head until production begins and the products are out there on the market. That's par for any product in any industry, and certainly not unique to GM.

    I'll roll my eyes with the rest at the thought of another GM recall, but on the other hand, I'll also give new GM credit for being proactive in going about admitting it and fixing it.

    Not every automaker these days is good about that.

    *cough* Toyota *cough* *cough*
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    Edited by pauljones at 09/29/09 4:35 PM pauljones was starred pauljones was unstarred
    Image of pauljones pauljones
    09/29/09

    @pauljones: As if to demonstrate that I am talking out of my ass, the universe has deemed that Jalopnik shall make a post about a Toyota recall.

    My ass will stop talking now.

    But seriously, my point about GM still stands.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    09/30/09

    @pauljones: I think my biggest "problem" is what these issues are. The wing coming off? Really? That wasn't found during development, testing, preproduction runs and the myriad of other QC processes that are in place?

    I fully understand that problems like this plague products across industries. However, for a car to be in development as long as the Camaro was (consider that most development cycles are on the order of 3 years, not 4+ years) and have these sorts of issues points to the exact reason why GM has problems with public perception of it's quality.

    Toyota is no better, and admittedly benefits from a press that is isn't out to advertise it's every flaw. Ford had it's issues with the Focus launch. Chrysler...well, we'll let that one lie.

    I pick on GM because they did have a longer-than-normal development cycle on the Camaro, from all appearances. And because they really need to stop with these silly quality issues if they are ever going to stand on their own and not lean on the American taxpayer. I jokingly started calling them American Leyland last fall, but they have done nothing to prove they are any different from British Leyland.
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    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    09/29/09

    In reply to GM Issues Service Bulletin To Repair Camaro Spoiler, Other Stuff
    No Loctite? At all? I thought that blue Loctite or red Loctite were the only two choices when installing bolts. I guess common sense only applies in garages, where you're not paid by the hour.
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    Edited by Tanshanomi at 09/29/09 2:53 PM Tanshanomi was starred Tanshanomi was unstarred
    Image of P161911 probably shoudn't have P161911 probably shoudn't have
    09/29/09

    @Tanshanomi: I remember hearing the story that the reason Chrysler was able to offer the 7/70 warranty back in the Iacoca days was they finally discovered Loctite.
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    Image of lilwillie lilwillie
    09/29/09

    @Tanshanomi:

    There are three types of Loctite I normally run into in the shop. Red, Blue and Rust.
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    Image of Elhigh Elhigh
    09/29/09

    In reply to GM Issues Service Bulletin To Repair Camaro Spoiler, Other Stuff
    Couldn't I just add a few ounces of refrigerant myself, smear on a little Loctite for myself, and have done?
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    09/29/09

    In reply to GM Issues Service Bulletin To Repair Camaro Spoiler, Other Stuff
    Once again Loctite saves the day. If it was edible I would throw out the Vegimite and spread it on toast.
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    Number_Six promoted this comment VeeArrrSix was starred VeeArrrSix was unstarred
    Image of Number_Six Number_Six
    09/29/09

    @VeeArrrSix: Yum, Vegemite, the best renewable energy source in the world.
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    Image of VeeArrrSix VeeArrrSix
    09/29/09

    @Number_Six: Does America's Hat love the Vegemite as well? I was under the impression the Aussie's had the market cornered...
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    Edited by VeeArrrSix at 09/29/09 2:35 PM VeeArrrSix was starred VeeArrrSix was unstarred
    Image of Tanshanomi Tanshanomi
    09/29/09

    @VeeArrrSix: They taste identical.
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    Image of Number_Six Number_Six
    09/29/09

    @VeeArrrSix: I'm a UK expat, so Marmite is my choice here in Canada but I lived in Asia for years and Vegemite is king there.
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    09/29/09

    In reply to GM Issues Service Bulletin To Repair Camaro Spoiler, Other Stuff
    "Damn Canadian Auto Workers — always socializing our muscle cars with their shoddy workmanship"

    - Our big, fat unionized autoworkers are every bit as GM-tastic as yours.
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    Image of GreenN_Gold GreenN_Gold
    09/29/09

    @Number_Six: No name calling! You can call them big and fat, but don't call them unionized.
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    Image of tafan69 tafan69
    09/29/09

    In reply to GM Issues Service Bulletin To Repair Camaro Spoiler, Other Stuff
    Is it just me or are cars today not made az good as they were back in the day? My opinion iz not even close.
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    Flathead Smith Prefers the Days of Danger promoted this comment tafan69 was starred tafan69 was unstarred
    Image of Flathead  Smith Flathead Smith
    09/29/09

    @tafan69: There was a story I read just the other day about a 1969 Mach 1 Mustang Fastback that was purchased recently that only had around 4500 miles. The car was garage kept in near stock condition with I think even the original tires. The thing that shocked the new owner was how shoddy the factory workmanship was.

    What amazes me is that cars that are newly released don’t have more problems than they do.
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    Image of Number_Six Number_Six
    09/29/09

    @tafan69: Not even close. I am stunned by how well new cars work, and with so many more things to break than old ones had.
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    Image of Alfisted Alfisted
    09/29/09

    @tafan69: They are waaay better today. The older ones are easier to work on, which is good, because you will have to.
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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    09/29/09

    In reply to GM Issues Service Bulletin To Repair Camaro Spoiler, Other Stuff
    If only there were some guy they could hire, I don't know, who could grab the spoiler with both hands and yank on them in the throes of passion to ensure a solid fit.
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    Edited by Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master at 09/29/09 2:10 PM Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master was starred Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master was unstarred
    Image of Captain Liverspots Captain Liverspots
    09/29/09

    @Ash78 is going POLAR...:

    Trouble with that is that he might end up with one of his nuts inside the spoiler.
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    09/29/09

    @Captain Liverspots: Good call.
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    Image of leavethegun-takethecannoli leavethegun-takethecannoli
    09/29/09

    @Ash78 is going POLAR...: We could get him a cape as well.
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    Image of Tiawatha Tiawatha
    07/21/09

    In reply to New Camaro Owners Create Depressingly Long Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist
    its only a big deal because the person posted single incidents, go on to the 8th generation accord and it will blow that list away, all new cars have thier problems

    [Ombudsman: Thiers an edit button now, you know.]
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    Al Navarro promoted this comment Edited by Al Navarro at 07/21/09 5:00 PM Tiawatha was starred Tiawatha was unstarred
    Image of WilliamG. WilliamG.
    07/21/09

    In reply to New Camaro Owners Create Depressingly Long Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist
    So, did the car in the title pic end up that way after a trio of teenagers took it out for a test drive?
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    Al Navarro promoted this comment WilliamG. was starred WilliamG. was unstarred
    Image of dragon951 dragon951
    07/21/09

    In reply to New Camaro Owners Create Depressingly Long Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist
    030. Trunk opens with remote and laser cut key

    I love it. Even on the complaint list they are using the buzz words like 'laser cut' as if its cutting edge tech (no pun intended). Europe called, said they want their laser back.

    GM Marketing FTW!
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    Al Navarro promoted this comment dragon951 was starred dragon951 was unstarred
    Image of dragon951 dragon951
    07/21/09

    In reply to New Camaro Owners Create Depressingly Long Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist
    Hello...its made in the USA. You should come to expect these 'character' traits. Nothin' says 'merica like drunken UAW members mis-assembling your cars for $30 an hour.
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    Tomsk 1.1 promoted this comment dragon951 was starred dragon951 was unstarred
    Image of Tomsk sez so long Ash78, and thanks for all the fish! Tomsk sez so long Ash78, and thanks for all the fish!
    07/21/09

    @dragon951: Camaros are made in Canada.
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    Image of dragon951 dragon951
    07/21/09

    @Tomsk 1.1: ......well then what the hell Canada? You are supposed to be the industrious, straight-laced brother of North America
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    Image of FrankGrimes FrankGrimes
    07/21/09

    In reply to New Camaro Owners Create Depressingly Long Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist
    The one for Lamborghini owners is really short.

    1. Watch for spontaneous combustion. There is no fire extinguisher so just get the heck out of the car. Call your stock broker/money guy and tell him to move some stuff around to buy a new one. Photograph the burning hulk for Jalopnik.
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    Image of phdbd phdbd
    07/21/09

    In reply to New Camaro Owners Create Depressingly Long Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist
    029. Clunking noise in changing gears

    My father has for years regaled me with the tale of how the driveshaft of the '69 would slam against the bottom of the car when changing gears.
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    Al Navarro promoted this comment phdbd was starred phdbd was unstarred
    Image of phdbd phdbd
    07/21/09

    @phdbd: Said the same thing happened in the Mustang of the same vintage.
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    Al Navarro promoted this comment phdbd was starred phdbd was unstarred
    Image of FTGDWolverineEdition'09 FTGDWolverineEdition'09
    07/21/09

    In reply to New Camaro Owners Create Depressingly Long Pre-Delivery Inspection Checklist
    The more I look at them the more they're starting to look like Camaro RPO Ordering Codes.
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