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    Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
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    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    So what do you call a Korean hot-rod? A kimchi-burner?
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    02/12/09

    @discontinuuity: "..So what do you call a Korean hot-rod?.."


    Sir.

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    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    A Hyundai with 460 HP? what has the world come too??
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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    my own personal PCH starts when this become a crate engine.


    supercharged v8 damnelantra™ FTW

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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    02/12/09

    @damnelantra™: LOL!


    I'll help you out with that! The end result would be amusing as hell.

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    Image of Sportwagons, haulin' stuff and haulin' balls Sportwagons, haulin' stuff and haulin' balls
    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    I know it's been said, but: Hoondai
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    Image of damnelantra™ damnelantra™
    02/12/09

    @Sportwagons - now with vitamin F: its pronounced hōōndai
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    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    Hyundai is on a roll. Why can't U.S. manufacturers get on a roll? Ford is looking promising, but GM and Chrysler continue to disappoint.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    02/12/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli: I had a hyundai on a roll for lunch. It think it had too much mayo.
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    02/12/09

    @engineerd confused n00b: That's sushi, right?
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    02/12/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli: I would think, being Korean, it would be kimchi.
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    02/12/09

    @engineerd confused n00b: A rose by any other name is still a rose.....
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    Image of DoctorNine DoctorNine
    02/12/09

    @leavethegun-takethecannoli: We told them to bring the Euro stuff here, and still they won't. I am starting to think that they WANT to fail.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    Again, Hyundai is pushing all the right buttons.


    I figured out my problem with the Genesis coupe. Its a matter of styling and history. The styling is clunky and unrefined. The Genesis has no history to support it being a well performing, inexpensive driver's car.


    If they can get the styling fixed I will look again.


    If they put this thing in the no-frills Genesis coupes I might look past the bizarre sheet metal.

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    Image of Jo Schmo Jo Schmo
    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    Hunday and supercharged in the same sentence? Whodathunkit? It is purdy though.
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    Image of Thrashy, perpetual Minardi Thrashy, perpetual Minardi
    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    This + Genesis coupe = Mustang killer at strip?


    Food for thought...

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    02/12/09

    @Thrashy is tired of this off-season thing:


    Didn't Hyundai say that the Tau wouldn't fit in the coupe?

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    02/12/09

    @pauljones: Yeah, but if they sell this engine, it's just a matter of time until someone does enough firewall/wheelwell beating to fit it in.
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    02/12/09

    @elwood:


    I am just somewhat surprised that it doesn't fit in the first place; 4.6 liters really isn't all that big for V8, and if they can cram a 6.2 into the similarly sized Camaro, and a 5.4 into the Mustang, how did they miss the boat on not being able to stuff a 4.6 into the Genesis coupe?

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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    02/12/09

    @pauljones: Did Ford let the engine bay of the Mustang keep them from putting a 429 in it? Did GM engineers let an edict from management stop them from putting a 389 in a Tempest? Everything will fit if someone decides it will!
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    02/12/09

    @pauljones: This looks like a DOHC V8 to me though. As I recall, the advantage of the GM LS* engines is that they're still pushrods, and that makes them significantly smaller than an equivalent OHC engine. So you can fit a GM LS* engine (or the old Ford 302 to 460 pushrods, etc etc) in damn near anything. It's much tougher to fit an OHC V8 in a small car.
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    02/12/09

    @Deartháir:


    That's very true. I have been trying to find physical dimensions on the Tau, but they just don't seem to have released that data in their spec sheets.

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    Image of Electro Gyrocator Electro Gyrocator
    02/12/09

    @Deartháir: Why don't other manufacturers make pushrod V8s? DOHC can't be cheaper than a pushrod system can it? Is 4 cams cheaper than 1? I think a Hyundai pushrod V8 would be sweet. The only non-American pushrod V8 I know of is the Toyota V8 built only for NASCAR. Put one of those in a REAL Camry and I'll take it! It would be a whole lot less boring for sure!
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    02/12/09

    @LamerX - This is an 81 Honda! How Dare You!: Basically, it boils down to luck on GM's part. Luck that their stubbornness would eventually bear fruit.


    Making a powerful pushrod V8 is about as difficult as falling in love. I've done it quite a few times, it's really, really not hard to do. (Building the V8, I mean. Falling in love, that's a whole other matter.)


    Making a powerful, fuel efficient, reliable, lightweight, environmentally-friendly and affordable pushrod V8... that's another matter altogether. Any carmaker can check all those boxes with a DOHC engine. It's not that they're cheaper, it's that they have the ability to fine tune the engine easily without a lot of engineering costs. Most of it can be done with software.


    Chevy lucked out. As little as ten years ago, the technology didn't exist to refine the manufacturing process enough to really allow a pushrod engine to compete. But they kept putting a little bit of money in each year, and as the processes caught up, suddenly and unexpectedly, they had a great engine.


    It would cost anyone else an absolute fortune to do that again.

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    02/12/09

    @Deartháir:


    It's true. I remember my father telling me that they used to think that the LT1 was the last of the small block pushrods, and that the Lotus-developed LT5 was the future. And then, suddenly the LS1 arrived, and all was good again.

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    02/12/09

    @pauljones: The Camaro is significantly larger, and it all depends on how the front suspension is laid out. I don't know the specifics on the Genesis, but I imagine the front of the Camaro is a McPherson Strut type, which is good on space usage. The Genesis is probably similar, but if it's a dual a-arm design, it's not quite so space-thrifty.
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    Image of pauljones pauljones
    02/12/09

    @elwood:


    The Camaro isn't all that much bigger:


    Camaro:


    [www.conceptcarz.com]


    Genesis:


    [www.conceptcarz.com]

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    02/12/09

    In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
    If the 300C SRT8 is around by then.


    Interesting piece, though.

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