Saw my first GXP in person today, and all I can say is that it's heaetbreaking that GM cancelled this car. It's everything awesome that GM cars used to be in the 60's.
The only Pontiac dealership in my town closed its doors a couple months back. As did the other GM dealer. Now I've gotta drive over 150 miles to get a G8?
Where the heck is 'from.a.buick'? Wasn't he saying these things didn't sell? I don't care anymore. I tried to buy one, and got dicked around. I won't be back. I will buy another BMW, Audi, VW, or maybe a Suburu, because they build a car with the kind of transmission, and the kind of engine, and the kind of drive that I want... ALL IN THE SAME CAR!!!! It really works wonders for sales, when you build a car that people really aspire to buy. GM should try it.
Why? Why would someone want to buy a car from a make they know isn't going to be around? I can't imagine there was a rush on Ramblers, Nashs, Yugos, etc.
Sorry guys, but the G8 GXPs have been sold out for months. Trust me, I looked. To be fair, I don't think the $8k manual option is really worth it. I know it goes against all things Jalopnik, but the G8 GT drives just fine, and the extra 50 horses doesn't justify the extra $8k expense.
@maximum-sienna can't comment 9 out of 10 times: I got those extra 50 by doing $750 worth of mods. No, I didn't get the better suspension or a manual, but really, $8k? That's too much. I do wish I had a manual though, but the GXP wasn't even around last year.
@G8-167/Super Aguri: Given that the G8 GT is roughly equivalent to the Commedore SS, I'm wondering how hard or expensive it'd be to ship the assorted manual components from Australia.
@maximum-sienna can't comment 9 out of 10 times: I see your point but this is a slippery slope. I drove a G8 GT and was semi-impressed, but wondered how much you really gain over a CamCord, which has nearly 300 horses these days and gets even BETTER mileage (The G8 GT didn't crack 20 mpg under my foot). The GXP obviously blows all CamCords away, has a huge advantage with its manual transmission, and justifies its poor efficiency with general bad-assedness. In for a penny, in for a pound.
This comment is going to be unpopular, but I will continue regardless...
As an outsider of the North American market, all I see is a Chevrolet with a big engine, and some sporty looks.This may be a very fun car, but I think its place in the market is filled by the CTS-V. Sure it's an expensive car, but these days only the rich can afford the luxury of a car with some soul.
Unfortunately, in these economic times what people want (and need) are appliances: bland, reliable, frugal cars are the ones that are easy to sell and hold their value well. Thus, I don't think GM (who of all companies cannot afford 'fun' projects) would be making the wrong decision in cancelling the G8 for now.
However, what I don't understand is why they would do a limited run. It's the worst of both worlds: you are using valuable capital for designing and building dies and parts, plus holding up a factory which could be building more popular cars. At the same time you're raising the cost of building the G8 (because you don't get the economies of scale), making an affordable sports car less affordable.
@Dhillaz 2.0: Nobody wants an appliance. Also, cars with soul are not just for the affluent.
As far as business a business argument; the dies, engineering, parts, are already completed. So really there's really no more invested capital being used. It's all just operating costs.
@Miscellanea's brakes are squealing: Thanks for the clarification, I shouldn't have really dived into an argument about a car I know nothing about.
But as TriShield has mentioned, the cars aren't shifting...so surely the production is a waste of floorspace.
@Maymar: Yes, I agree with your comparison, but the difference is that Volkswagen is still in the black so they can afford it, and the GTI has a huge history (under the same namebadge). GM really shouldn't be taking any risks in my opinion. I hope they break even on this project.
Alright, so here's the plan. Pontiac. Take a batch of 2000 regular G8 GTs, and put on the big wheels, GXP badges, and some cheesy "Collector's Edition" plates on the dashboard. Then sell at least 2000 debadged GXPs (I'd really appreciate it if a few of them found their way north of the border), so that your best car in years isn't doomed to a life of garage queenery.
Oh holy crap. I actually really, really want one of those little coupes.
I hope that Maximum Bob shoves his foot in Fritz's mouth and succeeds at bringing the G8 into the Chevrolet lineup. I know that I am stretching here, but I also think that the Solstice coupe/convertible would make a great little Corvair, too.
@pauljones: Hey, I liked the Reatta, I thought it was cute, and it was actually a two seater, unlike the Corvair. The Corvair name should be saved for something unusual or at least mid/rear engined.
Yes... there's not market for toys. Detroit needs to quit posing and trying to stroke the hotrod/enthusiasts market. It's an irrelevant segment. There's just not enough of them to sustain them.
They need to make cars people NEED... and no one needs a midsized sedan with a V8. Wake up already!
@Blaxpear: Do you see an M5? How about an AMG E-class? Sure, the Pontiac can't touch those cars with regards to luxury - but it performs very well for a lot less cash.
Charger R/T? GXP does all that and goes around corners, too. Mazdaspeed6? Yeah, now you're getting the idea. Nissan Maxima? Remember how it used to be? That, with V8/RWD and equivalent fuel economy.
It's called the TRD Aurion. So yes, they do exist, and they do make them, and they sell very, very well. Toyota just doesn't think North America deserves them.
The comparison could easily be made to Windows in 2000, where business machines were fitted with the excellent 2000 Professional, while home-user machines were saddled with the worst-Windows-in-a-decade "Millennium Edition". "No," they say. "You're not good enough for this product."
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Fucking Carpocalypse, always messing up my shit.
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I know, GM's not going under...yet.
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As an outsider of the North American market, all I see is a Chevrolet with a big engine, and some sporty looks.This may be a very fun car, but I think its place in the market is filled by the CTS-V. Sure it's an expensive car, but these days only the rich can afford the luxury of a car with some soul.
Unfortunately, in these economic times what people want (and need) are appliances: bland, reliable, frugal cars are the ones that are easy to sell and hold their value well. Thus, I don't think GM (who of all companies cannot afford 'fun' projects) would be making the wrong decision in cancelling the G8 for now.
However, what I don't understand is why they would do a limited run. It's the worst of both worlds: you are using valuable capital for designing and building dies and parts, plus holding up a factory which could be building more popular cars. At the same time you're raising the cost of building the G8 (because you don't get the economies of scale), making an affordable sports car less affordable.
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As far as business a business argument; the dies, engineering, parts, are already completed. So really there's really no more invested capital being used. It's all just operating costs.
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But as TriShield has mentioned, the cars aren't shifting...so surely the production is a waste of floorspace.
@Maymar: Yes, I agree with your comparison, but the difference is that Volkswagen is still in the black so they can afford it, and the GTI has a huge history (under the same namebadge). GM really shouldn't be taking any risks in my opinion. I hope they break even on this project.
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I hope that Maximum Bob shoves his foot in Fritz's mouth and succeeds at bringing the G8 into the Chevrolet lineup. I know that I am stretching here, but I also think that the Solstice coupe/convertible would make a great little Corvair, too.
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Thank you.
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"Everybody's doing it!" says Dinah Shore.
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You don't see a Camry GXP do you???
Yes... there's not market for toys. Detroit needs to quit posing and trying to stroke the hotrod/enthusiasts market. It's an irrelevant segment. There's just not enough of them to sustain them.
They need to make cars people NEED... and no one needs a midsized sedan with a V8. Wake up already!
06/04/09
Charger R/T? GXP does all that and goes around corners, too. Mazdaspeed6? Yeah, now you're getting the idea. Nissan Maxima? Remember how it used to be? That, with V8/RWD and equivalent fuel economy.
06/04/09
You're lucky I don't have the Burberry Banhammer, I'd be swinging it straight at you... only sideways, and launching you straight over to Jezebel.
06/04/09
It's called the TRD Aurion. So yes, they do exist, and they do make them, and they sell very, very well. Toyota just doesn't think North America deserves them.
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The comparison could easily be made to Windows in 2000, where business machines were fitted with the excellent 2000 Professional, while home-user machines were saddled with the worst-Windows-in-a-decade "Millennium Edition". "No," they say. "You're not good enough for this product."
Fuck ToNA.
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Yeah, that's why BMW and AUDI are doing SO BAD with that idea. Idiot.