Great review guys but after reading it I find that I don't want any of these cars. I thought I did but now I'm looking to other alternatives, like a 370z.
@Wes Siler: Look at the Genesis and try not to throw up from the styling.
It looks like some deep sea creature that died and washed bloated on the beach. The performance also blows and it's expensive. I wouldn't say the interior is any better than these three cars either.
Who's buying these again? I'd like to see the monthly sales numbers. Here in the land of RWD (Arizona) I have yet to see ANY Genesis coupes on the streets. 370Zs, Camaros, Challengers and G8s are all out and about. You can't throw a rock without hitting a Mustang, 300C or Charger.
So by coming in last... the Challenger actually represents what makes a Muscle Car great, in that it isnt very good at many things - but provides a blast to the senses when you are running hard in a straight line, or simply adoring its style when its parked.
Kudos to the Challenger, the unofficial winner of this review.
How Jalop are these rides? (omitted cup holder as I have no idea how many cupholders they have.. plus as a mullet mobile, you need a place to put your beer)
Camaro - 163 points - Fantasy Garage
Challenger - 148 points - E39 M5 in your pocket or just happy?
Mustang - 140 points - E39 M5 in your pocket or just happy?
I actually think the Challenger is the best overall package of the three.
It should get way more love than it does because there is a lot to love about it in comparison to the other two.
First, Chrysler nailed the styling. The look of the car is near perfect without any weird angles, proportions details or being overdone. It is the very definition of a neo-classic and will likely be the most unique of the three.
Sit in the Challenger after being in the Mustang and Camaro. It really doesn't give up anything to either one of them when it comes to design, materials or build quality. In fact the Challengers I've been in had better fit and finish than the 2010 Mustang I drove. The seats are the best of the three, firmly padded, thickly bolstered and perfectly shaped. The gauge cluster is modern and very easy to read at a glance (not so in the Mustang or Camaro). The wheel is a little too large but the buttons are the most user-friendly and it tilts and telescopes. The centerstack of the Challenger is also the easiest to use. I don't think it was Chrysler's intention but it does have a very retro feel though it uses Chrysler's modern corporate parts. That's a good thing though and you won't need to spend an hour reading the manual to know what everything does unlike the button-heavy Mustang or uncommonly-styled Camaro stack. Everything in the Challenger is very easy to read at a glance and understand even if you've never been in one. Just skip the nav and go for the rotary headunit and save the dough. The Challenger is also easy to see out of in all directions yet retains the low-top look that made LX Chrysler's hot in the first place and that the Camaro may have taken too far.
The dynamics of the Challenger I would describe as 85% of the Camaro's. It's certainly better than the Mustang, keeps most of what it good about the Camaro's performance and handling yet it has a softer edge and would be a much better daily driver than both. Bodyroll is the most pronounced but there are lots of aftermarket companies with solutions for those who don't like that.
The HEMI V8s are similar to GM's LSX V8s as well. In fact the Challenger's powertrain is much like it's handling, nearly as good as the Camaro's. It feels like a modern engine design with an free-revving nature and it sounds different than the LS3 but just as good. It's also nearly as explosive off the line. You can tell this car is the heaviest but it certainly doesn't feel slow. It delivers the driving experience and tire-burning antics muscle car nuts love. Bonus that the pistol-grip manual is the best of the three and coolest looking to boot.
The other huge advantage the Challenger has is that's is very practical. Like the doomed LSX GTO the Challenger has a large backseat that can accomodate normal adults in some semblance of comfort, the Mustang and Camaro cannot. Unlike the GTO or the other two ponies the Challenger's trunk can also swallow anything a normal fullsize sedan can. It's huge and the opening is a normal rectangle so loading it up for a roadtrip would be a breeze.
All in all I think the Challenger drives much more modern than the Mustang and delivers the similar performance to the other two while being arguably the best styled car and there's no question it's more practical and unique. Chrysler does ask a little more money for it but compared to the Camaro (and especially the Mustang) it doesn't seem out of line at all.
If you're in the market and want a car you can really enjoy every day and justify to a significant other then get a Challenger while you can.
No track pack on the Mustang?!? That pretty much invalidates the test. Its such a cheap option that nobody here would really order one without it and its supposed to make th handling so much better than the others.
Level the playing field, instead of the Challenger R/T, use the SRT8. I know that its a premium version, but it is more on an equal footing when it comes to performance. If performance is the main criterion as stongly weighted as your criteria seem to be.
@John Krewson: I just love those 60s / 70s earthtones.. Fortunately (?), I'm married to a woman with good taste -well, other than marrying me, of course- otherwise, I'd have the cheesiest house this side of the Mississippi.
These reviews are nice and all, but I think the target audience for these cars are "MOPAR guys" or "Ford guys" or "Chevy guys." In other words, folks that will buy the car they're attached to and not cross-shop the others. Also, as mentioned, they'll buy the car regardless of its shortcomings. But we all know the real bread-n-butter that makes these possible are the base models that the woman across the street drives. All these cars look good, so I wonder if she even cares that the V6 Camaro is as powerful as the Mustang GT.
@SerialThriller: You mean on paper the V6 Camaro makes nearly as much hp as the Mustang's V8. In the track, however, the GT will blow away the base Camaro. You're comparing V6 power to V8 power. Naturally aspirated, they are not the same.
If you looked in my garage, you'd say I was a Mopar guy. And I have made up my mind on a B5 SRT Challenger. However, next on my list is a Camaro SS, then a GT500. I want all 3, I just want the Challenger first.
C&D had the 'Stang beating the other two by a sizable margin. I was impressed how well it kept up with the Camaro, while being down more than 100 horsepower.
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It looks like some deep sea creature that died and washed bloated on the beach. The performance also blows and it's expensive. I wouldn't say the interior is any better than these three cars either.
Who's buying these again? I'd like to see the monthly sales numbers. Here in the land of RWD (Arizona) I have yet to see ANY Genesis coupes on the streets. 370Zs, Camaros, Challengers and G8s are all out and about. You can't throw a rock without hitting a Mustang, 300C or Charger.
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Kudos to the Challenger, the unofficial winner of this review.
(Should have gotten the SRT8...)
06/25/09
What? I just like big cars.
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Camaro - 163 points - Fantasy Garage
Challenger - 148 points - E39 M5 in your pocket or just happy?
Mustang - 140 points - E39 M5 in your pocket or just happy?
06/24/09
It should get way more love than it does because there is a lot to love about it in comparison to the other two.
First, Chrysler nailed the styling. The look of the car is near perfect without any weird angles, proportions details or being overdone. It is the very definition of a neo-classic and will likely be the most unique of the three.
Sit in the Challenger after being in the Mustang and Camaro. It really doesn't give up anything to either one of them when it comes to design, materials or build quality. In fact the Challengers I've been in had better fit and finish than the 2010 Mustang I drove. The seats are the best of the three, firmly padded, thickly bolstered and perfectly shaped. The gauge cluster is modern and very easy to read at a glance (not so in the Mustang or Camaro). The wheel is a little too large but the buttons are the most user-friendly and it tilts and telescopes. The centerstack of the Challenger is also the easiest to use. I don't think it was Chrysler's intention but it does have a very retro feel though it uses Chrysler's modern corporate parts. That's a good thing though and you won't need to spend an hour reading the manual to know what everything does unlike the button-heavy Mustang or uncommonly-styled Camaro stack. Everything in the Challenger is very easy to read at a glance and understand even if you've never been in one. Just skip the nav and go for the rotary headunit and save the dough. The Challenger is also easy to see out of in all directions yet retains the low-top look that made LX Chrysler's hot in the first place and that the Camaro may have taken too far.
The dynamics of the Challenger I would describe as 85% of the Camaro's. It's certainly better than the Mustang, keeps most of what it good about the Camaro's performance and handling yet it has a softer edge and would be a much better daily driver than both. Bodyroll is the most pronounced but there are lots of aftermarket companies with solutions for those who don't like that.
The HEMI V8s are similar to GM's LSX V8s as well. In fact the Challenger's powertrain is much like it's handling, nearly as good as the Camaro's. It feels like a modern engine design with an free-revving nature and it sounds different than the LS3 but just as good. It's also nearly as explosive off the line. You can tell this car is the heaviest but it certainly doesn't feel slow. It delivers the driving experience and tire-burning antics muscle car nuts love. Bonus that the pistol-grip manual is the best of the three and coolest looking to boot.
The other huge advantage the Challenger has is that's is very practical. Like the doomed LSX GTO the Challenger has a large backseat that can accomodate normal adults in some semblance of comfort, the Mustang and Camaro cannot. Unlike the GTO or the other two ponies the Challenger's trunk can also swallow anything a normal fullsize sedan can. It's huge and the opening is a normal rectangle so loading it up for a roadtrip would be a breeze.
All in all I think the Challenger drives much more modern than the Mustang and delivers the similar performance to the other two while being arguably the best styled car and there's no question it's more practical and unique. Chrysler does ask a little more money for it but compared to the Camaro (and especially the Mustang) it doesn't seem out of line at all.
If you're in the market and want a car you can really enjoy every day and justify to a significant other then get a Challenger while you can.
It's really something special.
06/25/09
The Challenger is a car that I can keep hooning once a kidlet or two.
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Usually outfits like Jalopnik get what's made available to them.
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Krewson, you're dead to me.
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Harvest Gold is dead to me. (Ford actually calls the color Sunset Gold Metallic.)
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But we all know the real bread-n-butter that makes these possible are the base models that the woman across the street drives. All these cars look good, so I wonder if she even cares that the V6 Camaro is as powerful as the Mustang GT.
06/24/09
At this point, I'd have the Mustang on account of the fact that I can actually see out of it, and that it's the best driver out of the bunch.
I can add power to a 4.6 mod motor much more easily than I can make a Camaro handle.
06/25/09
If you looked in my garage, you'd say I was a Mopar guy. And I have made up my mind on a B5 SRT Challenger. However, next on my list is a Camaro SS, then a GT500. I want all 3, I just want the Challenger first.
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I immediately fell in love with it when Road and Track took it out a few months ago ... until they actually got inside it. I was heartbroken.
06/25/09