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    Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor

    Ronn Motors Scorpion Hydrogen Internal Combustion Supercar Debuts At SEMA

    2009 Mopar Drift Dodge Challenger Slides Into SEMA

    Nissan Gets Ballsy, Breaks Out Bone-Stock GT-R For SEMA

    Bulletproof GT-RR Not Death Proof

    Tetsu GTR On SEMA Show Floor Proves Money Cannot Buy Taste

    KNIGHT XV: World's Biggest Fully-Armored Bio-Fuel-Powered SUV Gets Early Unveil Thanks To Battery Problem

    Tracked Hummer At SEMA Will Crush You, Take Your Gas

    Kumho Launches Ultra-Low-Profile 15-Series Tires

    Nelly's On And Poppin' Custom Ford Flex To Be Revealed At SEMA

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    Image of OldeEnglishD OldeEnglishD
    11/06/08

    In reply to Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor
    Black tooth grin, great drink, horrible car...
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    11/06/08

    In reply to Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor
    I like the Si, but a little scared at the poor gas mileage. A lot of people are reporting difficulty in getting anywhere near 30mpg in mixed driving. It's almost worth looking at a Mazdaspeed3, which will probably get the similar mileage if you don't boot it all the time.
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    11/06/08

    In reply to Ronn Motors Scorpion Hydrogen Internal Combustion Supercar Debuts At SEMA
    I have a theory: HHO desperately wants to be H2O again, so it takes next to nothing to ignite the HHO. Once it's going, the HHO can touch off a ridiculously lean fuel-air mix, plus of course that water from igniting the HHO isn't water - it's steam. I think it may be tricking the engine sensors into leaning the mix all by itself; tuners fiddling with the programming does the rest.


    And I still say balderdash.

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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    11/06/08

    In reply to Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor
    Ditch the passenger mirror for an extra hundredth on the Cd. It's overrated, anyway. Add a rear wheel fairing for an extra couple hundredths, too.


    I guess they're splitting the difference between looks and economy, but I say "go all out and show what can be done"

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    Image of layabout layabout
    11/06/08

    In reply to Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor
    Just poorly copy VW then,seriously cheap looking.
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    Image of weatherman weatherman
    11/06/08

    In reply to Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor
    The gap-tooth smile look is the only thing that stands out, and it's not in a good way.
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    Image of Paul Y. don't drive too fast. Paul Y. don't drive too fast.
    11/06/08

    In reply to Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor
    I don't understand why cars aren't always designed with efficiency in mind, especially cars that are supposed to be sensible and frugal. Shaving off a few pounds, and some slight aero tweaks aren't a big deal. Other than the faux-GTI grille, I think this looks really sharp.
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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    11/06/08

    In reply to Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor
    It's certainly ugly enough to be efficient.
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    Image of Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master Ash Clutchem, Pokey Master
    11/06/08

    In reply to Honda Civic HFP Concept Sits Efficiently On SEMA Show Floor
    Nice GTI grille you have there, Honda.
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    Image of Deartháir II Deartháir II
    11/06/08

    @Ash78: I'm moving around in my chair here trying to find that sweet spot where I'll be able to see more contrast on the LCD, but from where I'm sitting, it doesn't look like they're copying VW.


    It looks like they completely forgot to put the middle piece in that holds the center of the bumper and grille. So it's not bad design, it's just shoddy workmanship and quality control.


    ... okay, I'll say it. Maybe they are trying to copy VW after all.

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    Image of smalleyxb122 smalleyxb122
    11/06/08

    In reply to Ronn Motors Scorpion Hydrogen Internal Combustion Supercar Debuts At SEMA
    It's all very simple, really.


    We'll burn Hydrogen to power an internal combustion engine which will convert the heat output from the exothermic reaction into mechanical motion at an efficiency of (optimistically) 30%.


    Of that 30% of the chemical energy of the hydrogen gas, we will use a portion of it (say 2% or so) to turn an alternator.


    We'll rectify and regulate the alternator output for a net output of 60% of the mechanical energy used to spin it.


    We'll take that alternator energy and use it to split the waste water (from the hydrogen combustion) back into hydrogen and water at 27,778% efficiency to result in the same amount of initial input gas.


    I don't see the problem.

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    11/06/08

    @smalleyxb122: What you said.
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    Image of SeanKHotay SeanKHotay
    11/06/08

    In reply to Ronn Motors Scorpion Hydrogen Internal Combustion Supercar Debuts At SEMA
    I'm not understanding the concept completely...


    Where is the water split? On board the car -or- at some not-car site? They got a water bottle on board or a high pressure, high-energy resistant (outwards and inwards) Hydrogen bottle on board.


    They need a triangle or two in the window, regardless.


    For sure is the following:
    1) Splitting of two H2O into H2* and O2 has efficiency losses (i.e., more input energy v. output)
    B) Adding a speedily-combustible fluid (H2*, alchohol) does result in performance advantages.


    As with most marketing hype, I suspects this PR tells the good, forgets to mention the bad.


    E.G. Company PR: "The Company grossed $1.4B in sales this quarter, or $0.67 per share.";
    omitted: "The Company had expeditures of $1.45B this quarter."


    My SBBWAG**: As Mike the Dog suggested, I suspect they are referring to the H2*-injection increasing efficiency, forgets to add the net energy from hydrolysis from the efficiency equation.


    * Not the Hummer; the Hydrogen subscript-2 molecule.
    ** SBBWAG = Science-Based But Wild Ass Guess

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    11/06/08

    @SeanKHotay: As I understand it, the water is cracked onboard, and the resulting H2 and O are immediately mixed to make this "Brown's Gas", which is added to the incoming fuel/air mixture in a vain attempt to compensate for the energy it took to create it.
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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/06/08

    In reply to Ronn Motors Scorpion Hydrogen Internal Combustion Supercar Debuts At SEMA
    Maybe you can still turn a dollar on it.

    Use the electrolysis to remove back hair while driving.
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    Image of UDMan UDMan
    11/05/08

    In reply to Ronn Motors Scorpion Hydrogen Internal Combustion Supercar Debuts At SEMA
    Oh look, another company creating vaporware, and this time they're from Austin Texas. Color me unimpressed, since this thing doesn't have a chance in hell of being produced. All I had to do is read the following:


    AUSTIN, TX-(Marketwire) - Ronn Motor Company, Inc. (RMC) (PINKSHEETS: RNNM).... The Pinksheets, as in penny stocks, as in Junk rating, a company formed only to fleece as many possible investors before disappearing into the Texas sunset, like so many other Texas based companies before.


    And I though SEMA was going to be a joke this year....

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    Image of Novaload Novaload
    11/05/08

    In reply to Ronn Motors Scorpion Hydrogen Internal Combustion Supercar Debuts At SEMA
    H is for Huckster.
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    Image of Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face. Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
    11/05/08

    In reply to Ronn Motors Scorpion Hydrogen Internal Combustion Supercar Debuts At SEMA
    For those of you who can read it without getting a headache, here's a link to some reports on the properties of "Brown's Gas" (2H2O2, HHO, etc.), and its drawbacks as a welding gas and motor fuel. [www.phact.org] It's very technical, but the gist of it is that the people promoting this aren't telling you a lot of the shortcomings of this fuel.
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    Image of stopcrazypp stopcrazypp
    11/05/08

    @Mike the Dog:
    Don't let those HHO, "Brown's Gas" websites fool you. The "Brown's gas" or "HHO" torch that they show is no different than a regular oxyhydrogen (meaning a stoichiometric mixture of H2 & O2, ie 2 H2 for each O2) torch which uses these two simple reactions in succession:
    electrolysis: 2 H2O → 2 H2 + O2
    combustion: 2 H2 + O2 → 2 H2O
    The perfect 2:1 ratio makes it able to burn at max temperature, but there is no "HHO" involved in it.


    In fact Brown's invention, where the term "Brown's Gas" comes from, are actually just these kind of torches.


    There is no such thing as "HHO" (H-H-O molecular structure as the scammers like to show it).


    [en.wikipedia.org]

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    11/06/08

    @stopcrazypp: @greimel: The way I understand it, "Brown's Gas" isn't a gas, but a mixture of 2 gases. 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen, usually mixed together immediately after being cracked (by electrolysis) from distilled water. If the splitting of the water into Brown's Gas required little or no power this setup could save you fuel. Unfortunately, it requires a lot of power. More power in fact than is contained in the resulting gases. As so many others have pointed out this equals a net loss, in accordance with the strictly-enforced laws of thermodynamics.
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