Having briefly owned a 88 750iL, I'll have to vote for it. Mine was close to PCH status. The gas tank was held on by only one strap and the rear suspension had some abortive attempt at lowering. I traded a 87 Ford Bronco to get the BMW (The engine in the Bronco blew the next week so I actually got the better deal!). I kept the V-12 for about two months, it was two weeks before I trusted it enough to put a full tank of gas in it. The battery would snap and pop if you pressed down on the rear seat (on top of the battery) and while driving it to trade everything mysteriously shut down for about 2 seconds. I traded the BMW for a 1979 Ford Ranchero.
For all that have chosen BMW, might I quickly remind you that those V12s have not one but TWO engine computers. One for each bank. And sometimes one breaks. And sometimes one halfway breaks. And sometimes one halfway breaks and the other halfway breaks the other way. Often times, neither work
And for those of you that chose 928, I have but two words for you: Timing chain.
I seem to remember the BMW V12s were basically just a pair of straight sixes, with independent computers for each bank... I can't see anything that could possibly go wrong.
Still got to go with the Porsche though, since I'd actually want to drive it... 13" wide rear rubber here I come.
@something_unique_and_descripti...: Something tells me that as a doddering old man, you'll still want to drive it. Based solely on the fact that you haven't yet.
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Because the 750il has too many options for engine replacement, whereas the 928 is delightfully specific in its choice of engine and transmission.
If you were lazy, you couyld simply pop another engine into the BMW and be done with it. It isn't the electrical and mechanical nightmare that the Porsche is, and then there's the fact that the Porsche 928 has an exceptionally sexy.
God, that sexy rear end.
You decide to opt for the 928.
And so it begins like so many sadomasochistic relationships.
There she is. Sexy, german. Dominant.
And you, out of shape and submissive. Subservient to HER needs.
You immediately set to work, satiating the needs of that overly complex, linerless V8. Getting her mechanically in shape wasn't that complicated. Only a month later, you have this once basket case of a car in order, mechanically, with a fresh (and mightily expensive) transmission in that gorgeous Porsche body and the V8 all together.
Yet, she taunts you. Teases you. You want so badly for your Porsche to run, you want so badly to please 'her.'
Now, you must delve deeper into the rats nest that Porsche called an electrical system.
You contort your body into all kinds of ridiculous positions, rivaling a contortionist as you twist yourself to access the many panels. And of course, the car needs to be live for you to test these things. The electrical system zaps you again and again-- and like any masochist, you keep coming back for more. Your knuckles and fingertips are quite badly burnt, and that class ring you once wore is now welded permanently onto your hand.
But you don't care. You want this 928 running. You need it like you need to breathe.
After many terribly painful days upon days of torturous agony and contortion, you finally decide to twist the key.
And that V8 churns out just the siren song that you'd been longing to hear for so long. You lust after it and grin in stupified satisfaction as you teeter upon the brink of success-- and then, suddenly as it started, the engine gasps for air, starved for fuel, and goes silent with a shudder.
The fucking fuel pump.
You quickly jack up the car, in a fevered fury to get the fuel pump going so that you can take your prize to paint-- you know she'd always wanted a luxuriant coat of black paint, and you wanted to give it to 'her' so badly.
As you wriggle under the car to get at the fuel pump, your leg knocks one of the jacks out, and the car comes down on top of you. The fall cracks nearly all of your ribs, making it impossible for you to breathe. You try desperately to breathe in, but it's too late.
There you lie, dead underneath the cruel mistress of a car that you chose to take on... and then it occurs to you, as the world is beginning to white-out, this would have never happened if you had simply bought the slightly-less-sexy 7-series.
You take in your final breath and expire.
Some time later, you awaken to the scent of brimstone and smoke, the world a creepy and dimly lit shade of crimson. It's unbearably hot. It is the hell that you'd always imagined. And then you hear a laugh. A sickly, demented and twisted laugh. And it's a woman who is laughing.
You can't make out the shape of any human beings nearby in the dim light.
And then suddenly, two lights pop up seemingly out of nowhere, flashing on and dazzling you. And there she sits.
Your Porsche is perched on a basalt cliff not twenty feet ahead of you. And it's her. SHE is laughing at you.
Welcome to hell, to be forever tormented by the thing you love so dearly.
It's cost you your life. But now she will be with you forever. To laugh in your face.
While I concur that the 928 electrical 'system' (and I use that word loosely) is exasperating, ressurrecting the BMW V12 is heart surgery compared to the skin surgery of the electrics.
Hmmm, Porsche 928 with trans issues vs. wheelless, keyword spammed, 750il with (hopefully nothing worse than) a blown head gasket or two? Pass the pipe.
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@Mike the Dog will work for a Preview Button!: My thoughts exactly. Why would I consider blowing $1000 on either of these dogs when much, much nicer examples of each can be had for not a lot more, and I may actually be able to drive them? Yeah, I know this is PCH, but I've already got my project car. Not exactly hell, but definitely a project.
Why don't I just buy both, put a trailer hitch and a diesel Cummins in the Porsche, convert the Beemer into a trailer and tow my entourage around? When I am ready to make a break with my "special lady", I flip a switch that disengages my 7-series towmobile and leave my hangers on eating my dust and washing it down with cheap champaign?
@bygeorge: I like that idea - put a couple of bikini models in the back and if they get to be too much of a drag (pun intended) you just cut 'em loose!
Well, for me, the BMW. I mean look to the keywords in the ads:bimmer sleeper vip euro nissan 240sx v12 turbo mr2 toyota supra honda civic mercedes infinity g35 integra honda civic sr20 evo sti wrx subaru mitsubishi lotus
@.357's motto: F*ck The World: You know it's some dopey Asian kid who got it from his parents in Irvine and beat it to death trying to be like his JDM friends.
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And for those of you that chose 928, I have but two words for you: Timing chain.
All 25 feet of it.
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Still got to go with the Porsche though, since I'd actually want to drive it... 13" wide rear rubber here I come.
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And you can maybe only get two corpses in the Porsche.
Corpse, Porsche. I like those two words together.
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Because the 750il has too many options for engine replacement, whereas the 928 is delightfully specific in its choice of engine and transmission.
If you were lazy, you couyld simply pop another engine into the BMW and be done with it. It isn't the electrical and mechanical nightmare that the Porsche is, and then there's the fact that the Porsche 928 has an exceptionally sexy.
God, that sexy rear end.
You decide to opt for the 928.
And so it begins like so many sadomasochistic relationships.
There she is. Sexy, german. Dominant.
And you, out of shape and submissive. Subservient to HER needs.
You immediately set to work, satiating the needs of that overly complex, linerless V8. Getting her mechanically in shape wasn't that complicated. Only a month later, you have this once basket case of a car in order, mechanically, with a fresh (and mightily expensive) transmission in that gorgeous Porsche body and the V8 all together.
Yet, she taunts you. Teases you. You want so badly for your Porsche to run, you want so badly to please 'her.'
Now, you must delve deeper into the rats nest that Porsche called an electrical system.
You contort your body into all kinds of ridiculous positions, rivaling a contortionist as you twist yourself to access the many panels. And of course, the car needs to be live for you to test these things. The electrical system zaps you again and again-- and like any masochist, you keep coming back for more. Your knuckles and fingertips are quite badly burnt, and that class ring you once wore is now welded permanently onto your hand.
But you don't care. You want this 928 running. You need it like you need to breathe.
After many terribly painful days upon days of torturous agony and contortion, you finally decide to twist the key.
And that V8 churns out just the siren song that you'd been longing to hear for so long. You lust after it and grin in stupified satisfaction as you teeter upon the brink of success-- and then, suddenly as it started, the engine gasps for air, starved for fuel, and goes silent with a shudder.
The fucking fuel pump.
You quickly jack up the car, in a fevered fury to get the fuel pump going so that you can take your prize to paint-- you know she'd always wanted a luxuriant coat of black paint, and you wanted to give it to 'her' so badly.
As you wriggle under the car to get at the fuel pump, your leg knocks one of the jacks out, and the car comes down on top of you. The fall cracks nearly all of your ribs, making it impossible for you to breathe. You try desperately to breathe in, but it's too late.
There you lie, dead underneath the cruel mistress of a car that you chose to take on... and then it occurs to you, as the world is beginning to white-out, this would have never happened if you had simply bought the slightly-less-sexy 7-series.
You take in your final breath and expire.
Some time later, you awaken to the scent of brimstone and smoke, the world a creepy and dimly lit shade of crimson. It's unbearably hot. It is the hell that you'd always imagined. And then you hear a laugh. A sickly, demented and twisted laugh. And it's a woman who is laughing.
You can't make out the shape of any human beings nearby in the dim light.
And then suddenly, two lights pop up seemingly out of nowhere, flashing on and dazzling you. And there she sits.
Your Porsche is perched on a basalt cliff not twenty feet ahead of you. And it's her. SHE is laughing at you.
Welcome to hell, to be forever tormented by the thing you love so dearly.
It's cost you your life. But now she will be with you forever. To laugh in your face.
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In PCHs where the 928 shows up, it always wins.
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While I concur that the 928 electrical 'system' (and I use that word loosely) is exasperating, ressurrecting the BMW V12 is heart surgery compared to the skin surgery of the electrics.
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Tired: 2+2
Wired: 2-2
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