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UDMan
04/28/09

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To everyone who wanted to be on this project, send Murilee an email, or leave me a private message here. Thanks...
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wheels OF satan!
04/25/09

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seriously, just restore that machine... its pretty straight and complete--

its just asinine to "race" around in something like that--

its all ha-ha for about 3 and a half seconds,

then you are just an asshole road hazard...
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UDMan
04/26/09

@wheels OF satan!: You know, I wasn't going to respond, but after reading your response again (and looking back at your response when I initially bought the car) the only appropriate response is: "Get Bent"

To anyone else that's reading this, I have a couple of real NASA drivers on board, AND a Corvair expert (who actually races Corvairs!) The weak link? Me. but I don't mind. I may just put in a lap or two, and let the experts cruise, showing those guys who bring E30's, Miatas, and Milanos.
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☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig.
04/25/09

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Sadly, I'm not qualified to drive it, but I do plan on being at LeMons New England and I can offer unlimited moral support.

That is one kick-arse choice of a car and is definitely a shoe-in to win the Index of Effluency award. Nice choice! Is there a Ralph Nader theme in there somewhere? Team Elimi-Nader? Termi-Nader Racing? Unsafe-at-EVERY-speed Racing?
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UDMan
04/25/09

@Comrade ☠Grяrяrяrяrяrяrя reporting for duty!: I have chosen a team name that was suggested in one of these posts back in November. Team UDMan - Trailing Throttle Oversteer!

Oh, and there will be some sort of Nader image on the car (Somewhere, but I won't reveal that yet). I'm going to choose the number 63 (if available), and of course, there will be other stickers all over the car (gee, I hopr they adhere to "rust")
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☠Grяrяrяrяrя, portrait of a chickenwolfmoosepig.
04/25/09

Sweet. I can't wait to see that run! Stickers should adhere to the rust..after all, it's what keeps some of the heaps around these parts together.

What's up with the interior? It looks almost untouched!
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13thfloorelevator
04/25/09

@UDMan: Ass-Engine freedom slotcar! Nader better be air-brushed on the bonnet screaming chicken style...
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Murilee Martin
04/25/09

@13thfloorelevator: We don't include the fees of custom-van airbrush artists when figuring the $500 budget. At least, not in this case.
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UDMan
04/25/09

@Comrade ☠Grяrяrяrяrяrяrя reporting for duty!: Well, the interior was rather nice, got a good price for the seats, and the glass, and a real good rice for the original radio. Unfortunately, we can't race with a bench seat, or it would have stayed....
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mikedrawcar
04/26/09

@UDMan: I suggest printing out a life-sized cardboard cutout of Nader to ride shotgun through the race.
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Serious Mopar Jones- Incurable
04/25/09

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Hey, I'd do it, UDMan- but only if I can move into the house next door to yours...

I've never even ridden in a rear-engine car, excepting the Beetle my granma had 25 years ago- guess I don't qualify.
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Mobius
04/25/09

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2 open slots? I nominate white The Stig and black The Stig. If anyone else feels like they can't quite do it, there's always American Stig, African Stig and who knows? Maybe Stigette is a damn good driver too.
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Blacksabre
04/26/09

@Mobius_1:

Get Danica Patrick and the German chick who owns the 'Ring. They might not win, but hell, who cares. Eye candy + talent = WIN!!!
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Mobius
04/26/09

@Blacksabre: Eye Candy bribe?

I could think of some good, imaginative "penalties" for the judges.
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Leeeeena the Jalopchick
04/26/09

@Mobius_1: Stigette may be a good driver, but we'll never know unless she climbs out of that damn pool.
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Mobius
04/26/09

@Leeeeena the Jalopchick:

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Leeeeena the Jalopchick
04/26/09

@Mobius_1: LOL, I think I've found my Halloween costume for next year...
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A strolling player
04/27/09

@Leeeeena the Jalopchick: I just remembered† what the hell you were talking about.

read: I am watching said episode and now I know
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K5ING
04/25/09

In reply to UDMan Recruiting Corvair Race Team Members For LeMons New England, You Could Be Next!
Do LeMons rules allow reinforcement of the front end of rear engined cars? As for former owner of a '65 Corvair Monza convertible, I can tell you from personal experience that the front ends crush VERY easily!

Don't ask.
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Murilee Martin
04/25/09

@K5ING: You can have all the reinforcement you want, as long as it doesn't protrude beyond the original body/bumper lines (i.e., no Mad Max-style wheel cages, spikes, etc). Serious reinforcing strongly recommended for all Corvairs.
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MushyHeirloom
04/25/09

@Murilee Martin: So if your shop does Rhino Lining of truck beds, that doesn't really extend beyond those body lines, does it? And the added weight equals slower laps, so the judges could probably be persuaded to let you off with no penalty, given a couple bottles of Wild Mur'lee.
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K5ING
04/25/09

@Murilee Martin: I'm guessing no James Bond tire shredders either? What fun is that?
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Murilee Martin
04/25/09

@K5ING: Many LeMons cars have James Bond-style smokescreen generators, though there's no on/off switch on bad valve guides and/or rings and/or head gaskets and/or electrical fires.
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Michael J Backus
04/25/09

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NOT a '63 Corvair. That is a '59-'61 roof on that sedan.

I'm loathe to admit it but my father had both a '61 and a '62 Corvair. I remember noticing the difference in the roof on the new car. The early cars had that 'sunshade' overhang in the back. Looks like some fatass sat on this one.

Here's what a '63 looks like:

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K5ING
04/25/09

@Michael J Backus: No, that's what a '63 Corvair 2 Door looks like. The 4 door has a different roof.
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MushyHeirloom
04/25/09

@Michael J Backus: I'd like to see a '59 Corvair.
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Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
04/25/09

@Michael J Backus: I have a sneaking suspicion that UDMan knows what year his own car is. Thanks for playing, though.
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Murilee Martin
04/25/09

@K5ING: Yes, the '63 4-door still had the overhang.
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Michael J Backus
04/25/09

Here's a pic of a '59 from GM's "FYI" blog site:

[fyi.gmblogs.com]
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Michael J Backus
04/25/09

@Mike the Dog will work for a Preview Button!:

I didn't expect him to know any better than the wrecking yard. They had " '64 " written on the windshield.
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Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
04/26/09

@Michael J Backus: Did you read your link? That's a 1960 model (as it says on the header of the page), not a '59 as it was misidentified by the individual who posted it. This was covered in some depth in the comments, but I guess you were so anxious to be right that you didn't bother to read them. If you can show us proof of the existence of a model year 1959 Corvair that doesn't contradict itself, we'd love to see it.
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04/26/09

@Michael J Backus: Yeah, 'cause we're all a bunch of idiots, and we're so glad that you decided to take a break from your Facebooking to come educate us. A little something I've learned along the way? Fact-check first, post second. Or at least learn how to be contrite with a foot in your mouth.
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coupeZ600
04/26/09

@Mike the Dog will work for a Preview Button!: My foot has unfortunately become quite tasty, since I've lately taken to pouring salsa, pepper, and salt, in my boot in the morning in an attempt to mitigate the inevitable. Where I have the most trouble though, is when trying to post pictures on this page. I got the Link, bold, and italics, but I always spend twenty minutes looking for the Gawker site that explained how to post pic's. I use Mozilla Firefox because I heard that would make it easier, but I'm kind of lost (on many levels, but especially with this). If you guys could throw me that link, I'll bookmark it this time.
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Douglas Powers
04/26/09

@Mike the Dog will work for a Preview Button!:

Hey Mike the Dog's Ass: Don't speak for the group you obnoxious fuck. Get a job, get a life, stop being such a prick.
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MushyHeirloom
04/27/09

@coupeZ600: open bracket image source equals sign quotation mark link to picture quotation mark NO closing bracket.

<img src="http://www.photohost.com/image.jpg"

Standard HTML with the closing bracket (>) omitted.
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Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
04/27/09

@Douglas Powers: I hear Bent is nice this time of year...
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04/27/09

@coupeZ600: The article you want is on Lifehacker, which probably explains why it's so hard to find... ;-) Here's the link. [lifehacker.com]
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Mike the Dog is sitting by the door with a pair of cow slippers, and a very sad face.
04/27/09

@Douglas Powers: FWIW, I'm looking for a job, I have a life and a prick is just what you think I am. Name calling isn't going to win you any friends here, and probably makes your Facebook friends think twice when they see it on your wall. (Oh, that's right. You can delete it from your wall, can't you?) If you don't like me that's your privilege, just as it's my privilege to be a sarcastic pedant, as long as we both can be civil about it. The fact is, I have an annoying habit of being right, and an even more annoying habit of being gracious when I am shown to be wrong. I'm also quite familiar with the taste of my own foot, and have no problem with backing off when I find myself chewing on it.

Add to this the fact that I have been commenting here since back when you had to be invited by the editorial staff to do so, and that said editorial staff has seen fit to put a star next to my name (which I never asked for, but have still tried very hard not to dishonor). Facebookers are generally treated suspiciously at best by those of us who had to earn the right to comment here, so I (and probably many others, Facebookers included) would appreciate if you wouldn't do anything to further strain this relationship.

As for the comment that appeared to offend you so much, that was sarcasm. I realize that sometimes it can be hard to recognize in the written form, and I failed to use the [/sarcasm] tag at the end of it, but I really thought it was pretty obvious. If the gentleman I was replying to hadn't essentially implied that the owner of the car (a quite nice fellow, BTW) was too stupid to know what model year his own car was, I wouldn't have found it necessary to resort to it. As for my previous reply to you, I was quite annoyed when I typed it, but I did hit "submit", so there it is.
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MushyHeirloom
04/25/09

In reply to UDMan Recruiting Corvair Race Team Members For LeMons New England, You Could Be Next!
Say, where in NH did this thing come from, anyway?
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UDMan
04/25/09

@FuzzyPlushroomanyte: It came from Springfield, Vermont. I put an expired NH tag in the windshield so I could get AAA to tow it from my home to the shop where we are performing all the work.
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MushyHeirloom
04/25/09

@UDMan: Haha, good deal! I like your style.
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MushyHeirloom
04/25/09

In reply to UDMan Recruiting Corvair Race Team Members For LeMons New England, You Could Be Next!
If my trip to Scotland falls through for any reason, my minimal wrenching skills are available. I'm only in New Hampshire and will have reliable transportation, after all.
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blackcat77
04/25/09

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As a long time Corvair fan, I really hate to see a restorable car like this one trashed. There are all sorts of cars with no collector's value that can be used in the Lemons races.
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Murilee Martin
04/25/09

@blackcat77: Now that we're more strict about punishing drivers who hit walls, each other, etc., cars really don't get trashed so much at LeMons races. This Corvair may still be racing in 20 years!
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UDMan
04/25/09

Thanks Murilee for posting this.

Yes fellow Jalops, the Corvair is running, compression checks out fine, new fuel pump, new oil pump, 3 sets of belts, rebuilt carbs, wires, and plugs. Transmission shifts fine, full of new fluid, with a UD Trucks transmission oil cooler installed. Brake lines are all new, fuel lines are all clean, suspension components are all good, and all bearings are greased and race ready (Wheel, Fan, Generator, belt tensioner)

@blackcat77: If you read all the comments on the CarDomain posting, a lot of them agree with you. However, I will bring up my argument: This is a 1963 700 4 door sedan, not a Monza coupe, or Convertible, not even a Lakewood Wagon. It is the middle version of the sedan, and if it was in mint condition, it would be worth maybe $5,000. It would cost more than $10,000 to bring this car back. The surface rust has potmarked the entire top surfaces of the car, the barn it was stored in damaged the roof and the rear glass (an expensive piece right there), and it hasn't been run in over a decade. It would cost more then $5,000 to prep the body and paint it. It doesn't have the Quad Carb motor, and it's not the desirable turbo, it's just an 80 HP flat six, with a 2 speed powerglide, and it's the year before the rear suspension was modified, for extra fun on the track....

Oh, and for those that don't know my teammates so far, I have Katherine Helmetag, contributor to CarDomain, and someone who knows how to wrench, and Mike Musto aka Mr. Angry, who was on the first season of Bullrun, and who is also a contributor to CarDomain.

One final thing (just to entice you guys even more), where else can you have a weekend filled with so much true Jalopnik moments, meet me in person (like that's really an enticement), meet the judges in person, and take part in such a talked about event. Last time I looked, there was 52 entries in the race, and it will be the only oval on the LeMons calendar this year. So what are you waiting for?
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mechimike
04/25/09

@UDMan: I drive a '64 convertible on nice days, down here in SC. I've driven the #55 Tunachuckers Volvo Amazon to 3 victories (Index of Effluency, Most Heroic Fix, and Best Moonshine or Apple Brandy). I also just bought a basket case Corvair Rampside I hope to get roadworthy. I know the right end of a wrench to use, I've driven in LeMons races, I race clean-ish, and I drove my '64 cross country 2 years ago.

Let me know how much it is to be on the team. If you want me, I'm at mechimike@yahoo.com. It would be an honor.
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Murilee Martin
04/25/09

@mechimike: I don't think you drive your way to a Best Moonshine trophy...
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mechimike
04/26/09

@Murilee Martin: You don't drive your way to an IoE or an "Heroic Fix", either. We've never won on laps and I don't expect to, ever.

Then again, perhaps that moonshine was the impetus behind many of my laps...
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Murilee Martin
04/26/09

@mechimike: The other moonshine was really, really horrible. It gave us the jake leg. Y'all had that one on a slam-dunk.
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mechimike
04/26/09

@Murilee Martin: I just heard "White Lightning" the other day. Only in the South...

Glad you guys liked the corn squeezin's. We get the stuff from a co-worker, whose friend makes it. He was pretty tickled when i told him it earned us a trophy. I keep meaning to show it to him..
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Thrashy, perpetual Minardi
04/25/09

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I think I'm in the sme boat as Discontinuity is here. LeMons NE is about the farthest race away from me this season (and that's saying something!), The only rear-drive vehicle I've ever driven is a truck, and I'm a broke-ass college student. But I won't give up because of that! Did Custer give up just because some Indians ambushed him? No! Did the Rebels cave when Tarkin blew up Alderaan? NO!

*in the background, The Battle Hymn of the Republic begins to play*

In just the same way, I refused to be cowed when, while autocrossing, I spun my FWD car three times in a weekend! Nor was I deterred in my pursuit of mechanical excellence when I couldn't even change the shocks on my car without the aid of a shop! Not even the ignominy of finishing dead last in every motorsports event I enter has turned me from my course! I shall not be deterred! I will forge onward, assured of eventual moral victory through the determination deep down within my soul! Mine is a drill that will pierce the heavens!... wait, what were we talking about again?
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04/25/09

@Thrashy is like FTF, but for CRXes: Amen, brother. You've inspired me. I'm gonna get on my mountain bike and ride to New England. I won't take no for an answer! Of course, the beer might be gone by the time I get there...
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04/25/09

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If it weren't for the little details of being clear across the country, greenbackage that currently fails to break the halfway mark to triple digits, and a mere half day of mixed results track time (no damage), I'd be in.
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Novaload
04/25/09

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Oh, and are those some kind of New England crustaceans on the engine?
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Novaload
04/25/09

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Wow, the interior of that car is very nice. Too nice to Lemons. Why can't we have interesting looking cars like this anymore? Check out those tail lights.

Sorry, UD, I'm much like Ash86 above, too broke and too far away to enable your demonic possession/self destruction. But I think Ms. Martin is right, if you can get some laps with that little tubby, you are a shoo-in for the IoE!
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something_unique_and_descriptive
04/25/09

@Novaload Misses Murilee: "Why can't we have interesting looking cars like this anymore?"

See image in .357's comment above yours.
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.357
04/25/09

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I have the perfect man to drive a Corvair.

Don't be a Hater, vote for Nader.
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discontinuuity has left the Jalop until further notice
04/25/09

@.357 Is Now Seeing Stars: You really should send an official-sounding letter of invitation to him.
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.357
04/25/09

@Ash86 aka Monsieur Discontinuité Jean Baptiste Marie de Hyd...: Since he won't be running for president again till 2012, I'll give it a shot.
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