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Alright kids, the technology exists, and there are a couple ways to get there:
1. Smart meters in your house. Shows you the current price of electricity. Utilities jack up the price of your electricity when demand is high, and you subsequently turn down the AC/turn off the electric car. Self policing through economics.
2. Ever go to Europe? In my house in Italy, you a fixed wattage, something like 5000W, period. Above that, and your government-installed breaker trips.
3. Buy an electric car, get a free block heater timer. Set it to turn on at midnight.
4. At times of high demand the power company can tap electricity in plug-in car batteries instead of firing up a dirty "peaker" plant. Then customers get to jack up the price to the utility! You could be your own energy trader à la Enron.
(I considered time-of-day pricing for the Net Energy Metering I got with my solar panels, but I don't have a lot of excess generation to sell back to the power company on hot afternoons so it wasn't worth it.)
@skierpage: Except that many peak plants aren't dirty. Coal gassification is starting to come into its own, and that's a very clean way of burning coal.
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Slightly off thread,but still relevant. Recently i read an article about LCD & Plasma televisions,the point of it was that the electricity grids in countries such as America & the U.K. can't cope with much more demand due to the increase in power used by modern tele's. In the past the average television used around 3% of a households daily electric useage where as new televisions use around 20% of a households daily electric useage. It even mentioned that laws will come in dictating the maximum power useage of new electrical goods. If that is in fact the case,how will the power grids cope if electric cars do become popular? (trying to find the original article)
Seems like what happened was that many businesses touted LCD monitors over CRTs as a way to save on power. LCDs have a nearly absolute advantage over CRT monitors in efficiency.
However, with TVs, it's just about equal on a square-inch basis. But since most people are buying larger LCDs than their old CRTs, it's a net increase in power consumption for most households.
While I applaud the resurgence of alternative technologies in automaking, I have to wonder how an abundance and encumbrance of these vehicles will have on a given city's power grid? Seems a lot of municipalities suffer every summer due to increased electric usage and the threat of brownouts.
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Has anyone quantified how much enviromental impact a traditional coal burning plant has when creating the power for, say, the 40 mile electric range? How about the batteries and it's products mining, etc, over the milage of the car? Basically, is it really signifigantly worth all this without much greater nuclear power utilization?
Sort of like the study that says a H2 has less enviromental impact than the Prius over their lifetimes.
The brightest people who have addressed this basically say "it depends on how far you live from the power plant, as well as the method of that plant's production."
So it'd be ironically hilarious to make some rural Colorado hippie cry because he's 100 miles from a coal-burning plant, therefore his car has a higher carbon footprint than an urban gas-guzzler near a hydro plant. He'd probably lock himself inside his geodesic dome for a week.
And as far as pollution output, there are some studies out saying coal fired plants are some percentage better (can't recall) even taking into account the transmission losses due to a centralized and much more effective scrubbing system.
Good for GM. I figured, what with their current situation, they'd just make the car and leave the buyers to figure out where to power up. Nonetheless, I foresee a rise in electricity theft. You know. Like internet theft (when someone pulls up near your house and sits with their laptop on for many minutes), only they'll be sneaking around your house looking for an outdoors outlet.
@zeeboid: c0de does have a point,ok it can't be done overnight. But if everyone switched to electric cars that could possibly be even more harmful to the environment as most electricity is coal or nuclear generated. None of the above interest me as an enthusiast,but hope a viable option appears so enthusiasts can keep on burning oil.
SF and DC...definitely the highest proportion of Prii and the like. The really interesting thing will be to see if the technology transcends those cities' aversion to domestic badging.
@Ash78: no kidding. for those who realy dig purcahsing "local produce" and buying stuff not form big evil Walmart but your Local store, and hate big evil companies who outsource, you would think they wouldn't be purchasing automobiles manufactured by companies that are not "local" either.
hy·poc·ri·sy (hĭ-pŏk'rĭ-sē) n.
1.The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. 2.An act or instance of such falseness.
and using the arguement that "honda makes some cars here" doesn't make up for the fact that 80% of automobile parts made in the united states go to domestic automobile production, and the money you give by purchasing an american car goes to a country who's best intrests lie in the United States... buy local, buy american, that includes your car.
@zeeboid: Not sure I would have bought a Lumina if it meant saving the whole world, let alone the U.S. Thanks for the lesson on hypocrisy, but what's the definition of shooting yourself in the foot and then asking for bailout money to pay the medical bills?
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God they are so freaking brain dead.
Who is running that company? Squirrels?
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1. Smart meters in your house. Shows you the current price of electricity. Utilities jack up the price of your electricity when demand is high, and you subsequently turn down the AC/turn off the electric car. Self policing through economics.
2. Ever go to Europe? In my house in Italy, you a fixed wattage, something like 5000W, period. Above that, and your government-installed breaker trips.
3. Buy an electric car, get a free block heater timer. Set it to turn on at midnight.
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4. At times of high demand the power company can tap electricity in plug-in car batteries instead of firing up a dirty "peaker" plant. Then customers get to jack up the price to the utility! You could be your own energy trader à la Enron.
(I considered time-of-day pricing for the Net Energy Metering I got with my solar panels, but I don't have a lot of excess generation to sell back to the power company on hot afternoons so it wasn't worth it.)
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Hmmm...
Does your house have electricity? Check.
Does it have power outlets? Check.
Looks like you're 'Plug-in Ready'.
Want faster charge times with a 220V outlet? Do you have an outlet for your dryer? Check.
These "challenges" are largely fictional.
If we have the capacity to run an A/C unit in every home during the day, then we have the capacity to recharge an electric car in every home at night.
And if peak loads get to be too much, the solutions are simple:
-get people to turn off the A/C
-get people to ditch the incandescent bulbs
-build another power plant
-Give people incentives to put solar panels on their Roofs and/or windmills in their back yards
-get people to convert to gas stoves and dryers
-get more people to dry their clothes using clothes lines instead of always using dryers... just like our parents used to.
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and now it is on the passenger side? Driver side seems odd place for charging on the streetside.
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Perhaps GM isn't as inept as we thought they were
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Seems like what happened was that many businesses touted LCD monitors over CRTs as a way to save on power. LCDs have a nearly absolute advantage over CRT monitors in efficiency.
However, with TVs, it's just about equal on a square-inch basis. But since most people are buying larger LCDs than their old CRTs, it's a net increase in power consumption for most households.
And plasmas use the most power of all three.
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Don't take us down with you when the Green Gestapo come to take you away.
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Sort of like the study that says a H2 has less enviromental impact than the Prius over their lifetimes.
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The brightest people who have addressed this basically say "it depends on how far you live from the power plant, as well as the method of that plant's production."
So it'd be ironically hilarious to make some rural Colorado hippie cry because he's 100 miles from a coal-burning plant, therefore his car has a higher carbon footprint than an urban gas-guzzler near a hydro plant. He'd probably lock himself inside his geodesic dome for a week.
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And as far as pollution output, there are some studies out saying coal fired plants are some percentage better (can't recall) even taking into account the transmission losses due to a centralized and much more effective scrubbing system.
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hy·poc·ri·sy (hĭ-pŏk'rĭ-sē) n.
1.The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness.
2.An act or instance of such falseness.
and using the arguement that "honda makes some cars here" doesn't make up for the fact that 80% of automobile parts made in the united states go to domestic automobile production, and the money you give by purchasing an american car goes to a country who's best intrests lie in the United States... buy local, buy american, that includes your car.
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