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discontinuuity has left the Jalop until further notice
02/12/09

In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
So what do you call a Korean hot-rod? A kimchi-burner?
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DoctorNine
02/12/09

@discontinuuity: "..So what do you call a Korean hot-rod?.."

Sir.
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.357
02/12/09

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A Hyundai with 460 HP? what has the world come too??
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Tanshanomi
02/12/09

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"If you can find a better-built small killdozer, buy it!"
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damnelantra™
02/12/09

In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
my own personal PCH starts when this become a crate engine.

supercharged v8 damnelantra™ FTW
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pauljones
02/12/09

@damnelantra™: LOL!

I'll help you out with that! The end result would be amusing as hell.
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Sportwagons, haulin' stuff and haulin' balls
02/12/09

In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
I know it's been said, but: Hoondai
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damnelantra™
02/12/09

@Sportwagons - now with vitamin F: its pronounced hōōndai
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
02/12/09

In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
Hyundai is on a roll. Why can't U.S. manufacturers get on a roll? Ford is looking promising, but GM and Chrysler continue to disappoint.
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engineerd
02/12/09

@leavethegun-takethecannoli: I had a hyundai on a roll for lunch. It think it had too much mayo.
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
02/12/09

@engineerd confused n00b: That's sushi, right?
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engineerd
02/12/09

@leavethegun-takethecannoli: I would think, being Korean, it would be kimchi.
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leavethegun-takethecannoli
02/12/09

@engineerd confused n00b: A rose by any other name is still a rose.....
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DoctorNine
02/12/09

@leavethegun-takethecannoli: We told them to bring the Euro stuff here, and still they won't. I am starting to think that they WANT to fail.
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engineerd
02/12/09

In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
Again, Hyundai is pushing all the right buttons.

I figured out my problem with the Genesis coupe. Its a matter of styling and history. The styling is clunky and unrefined. The Genesis has no history to support it being a well performing, inexpensive driver's car.

If they can get the styling fixed I will look again.

If they put this thing in the no-frills Genesis coupes I might look past the bizarre sheet metal.
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Jo Schmo
02/12/09

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Hunday and supercharged in the same sentence? Whodathunkit? It is purdy though.
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Thrashy, perpetual Minardi
02/12/09

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This + Genesis coupe = Mustang killer at strip?

Food for thought...
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pauljones
02/12/09

@Thrashy is tired of this off-season thing:

Didn't Hyundai say that the Tau wouldn't fit in the coupe?
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elwood
02/12/09

@pauljones: Yeah, but if they sell this engine, it's just a matter of time until someone does enough firewall/wheelwell beating to fit it in.
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pauljones
02/12/09

@elwood:

I am just somewhat surprised that it doesn't fit in the first place; 4.6 liters really isn't all that big for V8, and if they can cram a 6.2 into the similarly sized Camaro, and a 5.4 into the Mustang, how did they miss the boat on not being able to stuff a 4.6 into the Genesis coupe?
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engineerd
02/12/09

@pauljones: Did Ford let the engine bay of the Mustang keep them from putting a 429 in it? Did GM engineers let an edict from management stop them from putting a 389 in a Tempest? Everything will fit if someone decides it will!
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Deartháir II
02/12/09

@pauljones: This looks like a DOHC V8 to me though. As I recall, the advantage of the GM LS* engines is that they're still pushrods, and that makes them significantly smaller than an equivalent OHC engine. So you can fit a GM LS* engine (or the old Ford 302 to 460 pushrods, etc etc) in damn near anything. It's much tougher to fit an OHC V8 in a small car.
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pauljones
02/12/09

@Deartháir:

That's very true. I have been trying to find physical dimensions on the Tau, but they just don't seem to have released that data in their spec sheets.
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Electro Gyrocator
02/12/09

@Deartháir: Why don't other manufacturers make pushrod V8s? DOHC can't be cheaper than a pushrod system can it? Is 4 cams cheaper than 1? I think a Hyundai pushrod V8 would be sweet. The only non-American pushrod V8 I know of is the Toyota V8 built only for NASCAR. Put one of those in a REAL Camry and I'll take it! It would be a whole lot less boring for sure!
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Deartháir II
02/12/09

@LamerX - This is an 81 Honda! How Dare You!: Basically, it boils down to luck on GM's part. Luck that their stubbornness would eventually bear fruit.

Making a powerful pushrod V8 is about as difficult as falling in love. I've done it quite a few times, it's really, really not hard to do. (Building the V8, I mean. Falling in love, that's a whole other matter.)

Making a powerful, fuel efficient, reliable, lightweight, environmentally-friendly and affordable pushrod V8... that's another matter altogether. Any carmaker can check all those boxes with a DOHC engine. It's not that they're cheaper, it's that they have the ability to fine tune the engine easily without a lot of engineering costs. Most of it can be done with software.

Chevy lucked out. As little as ten years ago, the technology didn't exist to refine the manufacturing process enough to really allow a pushrod engine to compete. But they kept putting a little bit of money in each year, and as the processes caught up, suddenly and unexpectedly, they had a great engine.

It would cost anyone else an absolute fortune to do that again.
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pauljones
02/12/09

@Deartháir:

It's true. I remember my father telling me that they used to think that the LT1 was the last of the small block pushrods, and that the Lotus-developed LT5 was the future. And then, suddenly the LS1 arrived, and all was good again.
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elwood
02/12/09

@pauljones: The Camaro is significantly larger, and it all depends on how the front suspension is laid out. I don't know the specifics on the Genesis, but I imagine the front of the Camaro is a McPherson Strut type, which is good on space usage. The Genesis is probably similar, but if it's a dual a-arm design, it's not quite so space-thrifty.
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pauljones
02/12/09

@elwood:

The Camaro isn't all that much bigger:

Camaro:

[www.conceptcarz.com]

Genesis:

[www.conceptcarz.com]
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pauljones
02/12/09

In reply to Hyundai Shows Off 460 HP Prototype Supercharged Tau V8
If the 300C SRT8 is around by then.

Interesting piece, though.
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Novaload
02/12/09

In reply to Oshkosh SandCat Makes Other SUVs Feel Weak And Puny
Be the first one on your block

To have an Oshkosh death metal box!
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Novaload
02/12/09

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When these first launched, people just stopped and stared at them because it had been so long in the US since anything like it had rolled out; clean, simple design, classic. Of course, you get to a certain age and you're not sure how long it would take you to get in and out of one, and how much creaky knees, grunting and fat shifting it would take, up to and including the Jaws of Life.
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DoctorNine
02/12/09

@Novaload Misses Murilee: All of which make me more likely to get one. Now if they could just lose that smiley face front fascia... It's like that muscular tennis player at the club, whom you admire in her little skirt, but can't stand when she is constantly exhibiting that vapid smile in all sorts of inappropriate places.
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virtualmark
02/12/09

In reply to Oshkosh SandCat Makes Other SUVs Feel Weak And Puny
I think this is actually just an Oshkosh branded version of the Plasan Sand Cat ... an Israeli armoured vehicle based on an F-series Ford platform.

Plasan make some very cool armoured tech.
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Stoatmaster
02/12/09

@virtualmark:

You would appear to correct in that: [www.plasansasa.com]
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RoninianHoon
02/11/09

In reply to Oshkosh SandCat Makes Other SUVs Feel Weak And Puny
Robo Cop here we come...
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bzr
02/11/09

In reply to Oshkosh SandCat Makes Other SUVs Feel Weak And Puny
"Sand Cat" doesn't exactly seem like the best name for it. I suggest calling it the "Huge Bitchin' Motherfucker."
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Deartháir II
02/12/09

@bzr is really creeped out by that egg-fondling hand in the ...: I second that motion and call for an immediate vote.
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