Now if anyone, even just one, person at Chrysler had half a brain, they'd really grab this opportunity. Safety is important, and a fantastic selling point.
This may be the one and only thing Dodge can shove into Toyota's face and actually have ground to stand on.
How are the Jetta and A3 midsize cars and a 4Dr Golf a small car? They are on the same platform, same wheelbase and the Golf probably has more interior volume. I always wonder about the IIHS but this confirms it....
Wow. A reason to actually buy a Sebring, Journey, Avenger, or Patriot. I see much potential in these otherwise craptastic vehicles as destruction derby rides.
It's OK that you are such a terrible car now little Chrysler. As you will grow up to be the only car still running in a demolition derby when you lose half your value next year.
And with that the little Chrysler was no longer self conscious about it's looks as it knows that for it's true purpose in life looks don't matter.
Chug along little shit box, chug along to victory.
I'm not sure I'll understand the hate for the IIHS around here. I know the arguments - the tests aren't representative of real-world conditions, making cars safer in crashes leads to irresponsible drivers, the IIHS tests have contributed to the bloat and ugly designs...
But, really, isn't it better to know what would happen to your car in the event that it experienced the kind of crash that they are testing? As opposed to having no idea how one car will perform vs. another... And you can't blame better design for a lack of personal responsibility. Especially when that better design can still save your a*! when some jerk with NO personal responsibility comes crashing into you in a frontal offset setup after crossing the double-yellow line while reaching for their cell phone...
Just a big FYI
The IIHS does not test Porsches. It does not test many of the most expensive BMWs and Mercedes either. Therefore their absence should not make a big difference.
The IIHS told us they tested only 52 roofs at this point. Why? Because when they told manufacturers of the tests and asked them to send cars they thought had a chance of passing, all they got was 52. of those 27 passed. They will add new models to the list throughout the year though as they do more testing. That's why so many 2010 models were rushed through the old testing to get 2009 awards.
For those that don't feel the need to click through pictures for a list of words:
Large Cars:
Buick LaCrosse
Ford Taurus
Lincoln MKS
Volvo S80
Midsize Cars:
Audi A3
Chevrolet Malibu built after October 2009
Chrysler Sebring 4-door with optional electronic stability control
Dodge Avenger with optional electronic stability control
Mercedes C class
Subaru Legacy
Subaru Outback
Volkswagen Jetta sedan
Volkswagen Passat sedan
Volvo C30
Small Cars
Honda Civic 4-door models (except Si) with optional electronic stability control
Kia Soul
Nissan Cube
Subaru Impreza except WRX
Volkswagen Golf 4-door
The best safety feaatures on my WRX STi:
-An engine that can accelerate out of trouble.
-Suspension that can handle around idiots.
-Brakes that can stop me before hitting morons.
-and grey matter between the ears.
@SubieBlast: +1, but this applies to cars beyond the WRX.
When I was 16, I was "taught" to drive by my father, in a 1964 356C Porsche (with the optional lap belts!). His teaching method was to put me in the car after describing the controls and say "good luck".
But his advice was priceless, and I carry it with me to this day: safety comes from avoiding accidents, not from airbags, ABS etc. and agility is more valuable than any of those features.
Passive "safety" is an illusion for idiots. Grey matter, reflexes and most of all attention to detail while driving are your only sure-fire safety mechanisms.
@SubieBlast:
Can you think of a time where you could really accelerate your way out of trouble? I used to think the same thing when I had a WRX, but getting on the binders was always the safest way to avoid trouble.
@grzydj: This one time I was driving my WRX down a ski slope while Druggie Types on snowboards chased me. I accelerated away from them before they had a chance to peer-pressure me into doing dope with them.
Single most important safety feature: an alert driver. Everything else is bandaids to minimize the consequences of the driver's failure, both of this vehicle and of those around him.
All I know is that we were recently in a crash and the car performed EXACTLY as these tests indicated it would, right down to the injuries sustained. I wasn't a believer before, but I'll believe these tests over any auto manufacturer claims any day!
"Volvo managed the same despite having belts on their XC60 disengage in a side-crash." - why is that not an instant fail, or at least a trigger for a re-test and an investigation?
If a Volvo with defectve seatbelts can get a high rating, doesn't that undermine the argument for wearing the things in the first place?
Does it undermine the whole testing programme?
I know that PJ O'Rourke had issues with seatbelts at one point* but, assuming he hasn't changed his position, I don't think he'll be dashing down to the Volvo dealership to get a car that is stamped 'SAFE' despite not having functioning seatbelts.
Seatbelts are at the centre of almost all current passenger safety programmes and most manufacturers even tell you that airbags will only help if you have a seatbelt holding you in place.
*I recall an interview with PJ O'Rourke in Top Gear magazine during the late nineties in which he mentioned not liking seatbelts because he didn't want to be compelled to stay in a car that was about to crash.
@Battles: I wondered about that too. I'm thinking "disengage" means they failed to "engage" -- i.e. reel up really tight when inertia or collision trigger senses Danger! Danger! Danger!
@battles & Novaload: It was a fluke. A trim piece pressed the seatbelt release button on a side impact test. They did re-test, if you cared to read the entire press release. They also notified Volvo and Volvo is fixing all models manufactured before November 2009.
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@Battles: the only XC60s that are recommended are those built AFTER the fix was implemented which is this month. Otherwise XC60 owners can take their cars to the dealer to get it fixed.
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Then again, I've never really agreed with MT's choices.
11/18/09
This may be the one and only thing Dodge can shove into Toyota's face and actually have ground to stand on.
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It's OK that you are such a terrible car now little Chrysler. As you will grow up to be the only car still running in a demolition derby when you lose half your value next year.
And with that the little Chrysler was no longer self conscious about it's looks as it knows that for it's true purpose in life looks don't matter.
Chug along little shit box, chug along to victory.
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But, really, isn't it better to know what would happen to your car in the event that it experienced the kind of crash that they are testing? As opposed to having no idea how one car will perform vs. another... And you can't blame better design for a lack of personal responsibility. Especially when that better design can still save your a*! when some jerk with NO personal responsibility comes crashing into you in a frontal offset setup after crossing the double-yellow line while reaching for their cell phone...
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The IIHS does not test Porsches. It does not test many of the most expensive BMWs and Mercedes either. Therefore their absence should not make a big difference.
The IIHS told us they tested only 52 roofs at this point. Why? Because when they told manufacturers of the tests and asked them to send cars they thought had a chance of passing, all they got was 52. of those 27 passed. They will add new models to the list throughout the year though as they do more testing. That's why so many 2010 models were rushed through the old testing to get 2009 awards.
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*Denotes sarcasm.
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#tips
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Large Cars:
Buick LaCrosse
Ford Taurus
Lincoln MKS
Volvo S80
Midsize Cars:
Audi A3
Chevrolet Malibu built after October 2009
Chrysler Sebring 4-door with optional electronic stability control
Dodge Avenger with optional electronic stability control
Mercedes C class
Subaru Legacy
Subaru Outback
Volkswagen Jetta sedan
Volkswagen Passat sedan
Volvo C30
Small Cars
Honda Civic 4-door models (except Si) with optional electronic stability control
Kia Soul
Nissan Cube
Subaru Impreza except WRX
Volkswagen Golf 4-door
Midsize SUVs
Dodge Journey
Subaru Tribeca
Volvo XC60
Volvo XC90
Small SUVs
Honda Element
Jeep Patriot with optional side torso airbags
Subaru Forester
Volkswagen Tiguan
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-An engine that can accelerate out of trouble.
-Suspension that can handle around idiots.
-Brakes that can stop me before hitting morons.
-and grey matter between the ears.
11/18/09
When I was 16, I was "taught" to drive by my father, in a 1964 356C Porsche (with the optional lap belts!). His teaching method was to put me in the car after describing the controls and say "good luck".
But his advice was priceless, and I carry it with me to this day: safety comes from avoiding accidents, not from airbags, ABS etc. and agility is more valuable than any of those features.
Passive "safety" is an illusion for idiots. Grey matter, reflexes and most of all attention to detail while driving are your only sure-fire safety mechanisms.
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Can you think of a time where you could really accelerate your way out of trouble? I used to think the same thing when I had a WRX, but getting on the binders was always the safest way to avoid trouble.
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#tips
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I guess it would be best to drive in overstuffed furniture. That would, you know, cushion any impacts.
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If a Volvo with defectve seatbelts can get a high rating, doesn't that undermine the argument for wearing the things in the first place?
Does it undermine the whole testing programme?
I know that PJ O'Rourke had issues with seatbelts at one point* but, assuming he hasn't changed his position, I don't think he'll be dashing down to the Volvo dealership to get a car that is stamped 'SAFE' despite not having functioning seatbelts.
Seatbelts are at the centre of almost all current passenger safety programmes and most manufacturers even tell you that airbags will only help if you have a seatbelt holding you in place.
*I recall an interview with PJ O'Rourke in Top Gear magazine during the late nineties in which he mentioned not liking seatbelts because he didn't want to be compelled to stay in a car that was about to crash.
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A piece of plastic came lose and actually depressed the button disengaging the belt.
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