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    Image of SamuelLlama SamuelLlama
    07/21/09

    In reply to Proton Exora Turbo: The Lotus-Tuned MPV
    Couple of notes..... First lotus was never owned by isuzu. Both companies fell under the gm umberella during the late 80s and early 90s. Isuzu used lotus for suspension tuning and lotus got engines for the m100 Elan. Lotus also was involved with many other gm products during that time including the suspension revisions to the fiero and the corvette zr1 engine/ suspension.

    Proton has greatly benefitted from lotus engineering including suspension design, testing and styling. A quick peak at any of the newer proton cars interiors shows design influence from the 2000 m250 show car which eventually has lead to the new evora. Many of lotus' contributions to proton, as with most of its clients, go without credit. 15% of all engines operating in Europe were designed by lotus (for example). Just because it doesn't say lotus on it somewhere doesn't mean the boys and girls at hethel weren't involved.
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    Image of goatrope goatrope
    07/21/09

    In reply to Proton Exora Turbo: The Lotus-Tuned MPV
    The Mazda5 already has enough torque steer to make the daily commute interesting, in an unintended-adrenaline-rush sort of way. A turbo will just screw it up further.
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    Image of engineerd engineerd
    07/21/09

    In reply to Proton Exora Turbo: The Lotus-Tuned MPV
    The Exora is an Evora with a little Extra.
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    Image of B1663R B1663R
    07/21/09

    In reply to Proton Exora Turbo: The Lotus-Tuned MPV
    why hasn't Mazda come out with a Mazdaspeed5 yet?

    Car and Driver or Motor trend came out with a Boss Mazda5 version that somewhat failed earlier this year.

    i would LOVE a tuned kid carrier
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    07/21/09

    @B1663R: I actually think it would sell to not-totally-whipped car-enthusiast family men. (Not "family men", men with families.) Wife wants a minivan for their two-ish kids, Dad wants something that's not horrible to drive...
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    Image of muhnkee_2 - Avantime Owner and 100% Jaloper muhnkee_2 - Avantime Owner and 100% Jaloper
    07/21/09


    @B1663R:

    your wish was answered in 2005 by Vauxhall with the Zafira VXR:

    http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/62600/vauxhall_zafira_vxr.html
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    Image of Captain Liverspots Captain Liverspots
    07/21/09

    @FP - missing Pete and the SHOwagon:

    The Missus has recently become smitten with the 5 (a vast improvement over her previous crossover fixations), to the point that I'll be surprised if there's not one in our driveway by summer 2010. If there was Mazdaspeed variant, you can be sure that this child-less man would be all about it.
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    Image of Alphamazing Alphamazing
    07/21/09


    @B1663R: ?
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    Image of B1663R B1663R
    07/21/09

    @Alphamazing: i remember driving that thing around in Gran Turismo years ago!! alas, not available in north America

    like, even if Dodge were to put turbo's back in their minivans at least we would have something!
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    Image of Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. . Schm, enjoying his first desert winter. .
    07/21/09

    @B1663R: Mercedes does make an C63 AMG Estate. That's definitely trackable enough.
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    Image of Ash78, cube farmer Ash78, cube farmer
    07/21/09

    In reply to Proton Exora Turbo: The Lotus-Tuned MPV
    Lotus + Minivan = The Unbearable Lightness of Beings
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    07/21/09

    In reply to Proton Exora Turbo: The Lotus-Tuned MPV
    If it only had a stick.

    (assuming that they're not using 25-year-old transmissions...)
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    Image of Graverobber Graverobber
    07/21/09

    In reply to Proton Exora Turbo: The Lotus-Tuned MPV
    Looks like a Honda Fit which has been stung by many, many bees. Proton has owned Lotus for a long time now, you'd think they'd have more to show for it than a turbo'd people carrier.
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    Image of SirNotAppearing SirNotAppearing
    07/21/09

    In reply to Proton Exora Turbo: The Lotus-Tuned MPV
    The sporty model has 170hp and a Mitsu 4-speed? Truly this a malaysia-era offering.
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    Edited by SirNotAppearing at 07/21/09 9:38 AM SirNotAppearing was starred SirNotAppearing was unstarred
    Image of Maymar Maymar
    07/21/09

    @SirNotAppearing, now w/ 82% more aborted scripts: This early, and we could already have COTD?
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    Image of Cognitive Friction Cognitive Friction
    03/30/09

    In reply to Detroit Electric Partnering With Proton For All-Electric Cars
    If you're going to make something that performs like a dog, is likely to burst into flames, electrocute its occupants, or crush everyone inside into oblivion if you hit a dog in the crosswalk...at least make it look like a '57 Chevy instead of the generic sedan from GTA
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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    03/30/09

    In reply to Detroit Electric Partnering With Proton For All-Electric Cars
    If this all pans out well, and by well I mean that everything must go perfectly, it could be extremely beneficial for the American public and more importantly, Detroit.
    An all-electric car for around $25k + Jobs being created in Detroit = WIN


    Keep me updated so I know when it's safe to buy some Detroit Electric stock.

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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    03/30/09

    @aSoundofF*cking: who said anything about jobs in Detroit?
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    Image of mr_dude mr_dude
    03/30/09

    In reply to Detroit Electric Partnering With Proton For All-Electric Cars
    I must say, I feel pretty positive about proton cars.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    03/30/09

    @mr_dude hates this f*cking meme: [www.instantrimshot.com]
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    03/30/09

    In reply to Detroit Electric Partnering With Proton For All-Electric Cars
    At least it's not Chicago Electric.
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    Image of Ben Wojdyla Ben Wojdyla
    03/30/09

    @F*ckingPlushroom: Well, it may mirror Chicago electric perfectly. A defunct brand of well-engineered, durable products revived only to be built by the lowest bidder.
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    Image of bzr bzr
    03/30/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: Buy one for cheap, use it 'till it breaks, buy another one for cheap, use it 'till it breaks, buy another one for cheap, use it till it breaks...


    Or until you lose copious amounts of blood and 3 or more extremities. In which case, you'll probably need to wait a few weeks before going to Harbor Freight again.

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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    03/30/09

    @Ben Wojdyla: I'm afraid you're right. No, not afraid exactly - if you buy one of those, you kinda deserve it.
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    Image of MushyHeirloom MushyHeirloom
    03/30/09

    @bzr is too lazy to come up with something clever: Extremities like "legs, in a 10mph collision that a Dodge A-van could drive away from"?
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    Image of alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons alowishus wants to run a Saab Sonett III at LeMons
    03/30/09

    In reply to Detroit Electric Partnering With Proton For All-Electric Cars
    yay! boring car!
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    Image of .357 .357
    03/30/09

    @alowishus-mazda protege fanatic:Yeah, boring! By the way, like the Protege. Used to have one of those.
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    Image of sos10 sos10
    03/30/09

    In reply to Detroit Electric Partnering With Proton For All-Electric Cars
    It looks like finally the consumer is going to win. Cars that costs normal amounts of $ with almost maintenance-free technology.
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    Image of aSoundofSleep-less nights aSoundofSleep-less nights
    03/30/09

    @sos10:


    But who's to say what kind of reliability they're going to have?
    They are going to be built in India and modified in Detroit.

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    Image of A strolling player got drunk and A strolling player got drunk and
    03/30/09

    @aSoundofF*cking: One moving part is always one moving part, no matter where it's made.
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    Image of .357 .357
    03/30/09

    In reply to Detroit Electric Partnering With Proton For All-Electric Cars
    I see what Detroit is doing. They are simply waiting to deliver newspapers until Detroit Electric starts producing this car, so they can use electric cars. This will give them green cred, so that the other cities won't laugh at them. (Well atleast not as much, anyway.)
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