Remember... in the 1980s, the base 300ci I6 engine in the Ford F150 only made 150HP at around 3400rpm in FI form. In carb'd form it made as little as 101HP.

I'm sure the 2.5L Ecoboost will be more than adequate for a base engine.

If they lighten up the body, they could probably even get away with a lower HP/Higher torque version of the Non-Turbo 2.5L 4 cyl. That engine already makes 170HP/170lb-ft torque as it is.

@Bad Juju: Yep... my thoughts exactly. But we had years of cheap gas, so people always went for power.

It's hilarious how people think cars like the Smart car don't have enough power for highway driving... yet these same people drove cars that were more gutless (like the hundreds of thousands of people who drove Beetles and VW Microbuses) when they were growing up and it was perfectly fine.

Yep... people "Need" all that power for stop-and-go traffic every day.

But most people don't have friends that good, that ugly or that desperate.

You'll see dirty Truck Nutz below an exhaust spewing a continuous stream of white smoke.

Priceless.

There's no way it should have collapsed that easily.

It looked like merely gravity was holding it all together.

Yeah, the new Honda Pilot looks like crap. But the new Civic it one of the nicest looking Civics ever.

I think there are many really nice looking cars today such as the Elise and the Corvette.

I also agree the Honda Accord doesn't look that great... but the Nissan Altima does.

This sounds stupid to me. I would think it limits a dealer's ability to sell what is actually in demand... so what the dealer ends up with is too much product that doesn't sell and not enough that does which probably reduces total overall sales and hurts the value of the brand because then dealers have to give away the stuff that isn't selling.

The Sales people are gonna have to start resorting to desparate measures like selling their bodies and souls along with the trucks.

Anyone need a butler for free with their new pickup truck?

Seriously though... anybody who puts Caution Tape around his car is a dickhead and is just begging to have someone mess with his car.

If you own a Ferrari but are soooo afraid of someone damaging it that you need to resort to shit like Caution Tape, then you're not really wealthy enough to own a Ferrari.

With people like this, I prefer to view them as lost sheep who need guidance. You can't guide someone you've banned.

It's kind of like my arguments with RLJ... I never asked him to be banned just because I consider his views to be detatched from what's really going on. And I even got him to grudgingly concede on a few things.

Even though I don't agree with GasGuzzler myself either, banning him just reduces the amount of ideas exchanged... even if the idea exchange can be heated at times.

And at least GasGuzzler doesn't TYPE IN ALL CAPS or spells "you are" as "u r" or just starts cursing people out without actually saying anything else.

Yeah... the Lexus RX300/Toyota Highlander and the subsequent versions of those vehicles and other crossovers played a BIG role in popularizing crossovers in general were real "failures".

"I don't know that any hyrbrids are yet sold for a profit."

Yeah... there no way there's *any* profit in those Lexus Hybrids...*cough*. Not to mention the fact that the Prius has been on the market long enough that the costs have been sufficiently amortized that Toyota is in fact making money on the Prius.

But I suppose that since you don't know about it, it must be "impossible", eh?

The only mistake I can see Toyota made recently is overestimating how much market share they were going to gain with their more recent large Trucks/SUVs.

It's fun having a buddy in the car with you and then saying 'Ready? One, two, THREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE'

But there's other sides to safety that many forget to consider... such as the safety of the driver and how well the car is maintained.

The Nissan on the other hand is a beaten up daily driver that still runs.

Same goes for electric cars... except that the electric car has an efficiency advantage because the energy is merely being stored in the battery whereas in the air car the electricity/energy needs to be converted into compressed air... which is not as efficient because air heats up as it is compressed. And air expands as it gets hot... not something you want when you're trying to compress it efficiently.

The only advantage the air engine has is that it is cheap.

It is inferior in every other way.

Well, I have a soft spot for Turbos and Grand Nationals... so the Grandnatamino is my choice.

Actually... large amounts also get generated from Nuclear and hydroelectric too. Plus a miniscule amount is made from wind and solar.

Another fact is that even if all cars were electric and all electricity were generated by coal, there would still be a big drop in pollution because Coal power plants are more efficient than an ICE and electric motors are MUCH more efficient than an ICE.

Viola... Ferrari 612... Liberace Edition