But they did a lot of things right. They certainly know what their core customer wants and that's more than a lot of these companies. With the economy the way it is now, I really have no idea how they are doing currently.

I don't know that you can beat the Japanese at their game. I'm just opining that maybe they need to play their own game, if they can figure out what it is. I (again personal preference) don't want or need a new model of everything every 3-4 years. It seems gratuitous but it may be the only way anymore given the tiny attention spans of the common consumer.

Just throwing it out there.

US automakers have to find a center, much like Harley did. Find what you do best and build the core first (again) instead of moving all over the map trying to hit a random homer every once in a while.

But the mavericks are dead and they took a lot of their companies character with them. The people these cars are named after are no longer around with their drive and vision and it shows. You can see it happening to Honda even.

Any decision arrive at by committee will be mediocre at best. Beauracracy inaction is more accurate than beauracracy in action.

Unless our corporations start thinking about working together to actually make the best products instead of what labor and management can get out of it for themselves, They may be doomed. And that problem does not seem to be limited just to business. There seems to be a rampant entitlement problem in this country.

And everybody should know it's all about me, dammit.

We'll never forget ol' whatshisname....

Way to show your political beliefs ShadowGuitar, we can turn both left and right here on dis web site.

But the world is a better place for it just being here.

Right wing, left wing, doesn't matter. Corvette, run away, pedestrian and bicyclist is just too much good material to pass up.

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Capitalism is fine until people have to die because they can't afford the cost of doing business. I think maybe the original intent has been somewhat perverted by those who seek to profit at a social cost. Call anything that resembles common sense socialism so people fear change, even for the better.

Even our cops have to worry about turning a profit. Crime doesn't pay but speeders will so let's concentrate on them. And seat belts. It's not about public safety, it's about paying the bills. You can have all the justice and health care you can afford.

I think you'll find we give far more of our tax dollars to the rich than we ever did the poor. I blame Ronald Reagan for making it trendy and they have no intention of stopping it now. Trickle down economics means "piss on them" in plain english.

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Two or three years ago I opined that as Michigan went, so would the country. Our state has been in the trouble the rest of the country is just now seeing for quite a while.

Whether you like it or not, our country needs a manufacturing base. I'm not for or against any "bailout" at this point but I do know that once we don't produce anything, we're not going to need any workers except Walmart greeters and soldiers. Both of which are kind of closed end systems.

But I'm not motivated enough to get into an internet argument about it. It's just an opinion.

Here as in US, not "here" here. I'm sure there are others "here" that could care less about a Big Gulp fitting in the cup holder.

No nav system? Learn to read a map.

Cup holders not big enough? Get a smaller cup.

Can't play your DVD or MP3? Maybe you should just go home now.

What were we talking about again?

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