Although PickupTrucks.com broke the story, the bastions of the mainstream car news and rumors at Automotive News has further confirmation this morning we should be expecting to see a smaller-than-F-150 pickup truck built on the F-150 platform sometime in the 2011 calendar year. Although AN's not confirming the name either, their speculation is similar to ours — a 2011/2012 Ford F-100. In addition to the additional speculation on the name, we're told this morning the project's been code-named P525 and although the new pickup is in Ford's cycle plan, it has not yet received final approval.
Our expectation is this is a slightly slimmed-down truck designed in part to build a Ranger replacement but probably more to keep the F-series numero uno in truck sales, allowing Ford to continue to wear that red badge of honor. Red badge? Wait, maybe we meant red target. Either way, Ford'll be trying to continue to wear it well into the second decade of this century. [via Automotive News (sub. req.)]











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Smaller than the (current) F150 implies that it won't be nearly small enough. Should we expect something on the scale of a Colorado/Canyon?
Personally, I'd like to see it come in smaller than the current Ranger, more on the scale of the first generation Ranger.
I thoroughly expect to be disappointed.
Yes, smalleyxb122, 'smaller than the current F150' leaves a lot of room for interpretation... I mean, you could almost fit the short-bus into that category.
I am wondering if they are going to make the Ford Ranger, truly small pick-up a thing of the past or if Ford will do something like this?
[jalopnik.com]
I think it still may be too big. I think the direction they need to go is the "NEW FORD F-70" Now available with optional 2.5L diesel power and optional automatic transmission, power windows, and CD player.
Bring back the "Courier" ! Though, a re-vamped Ranger does make sense to me. I had a Ranger GT with a turbo and intercooled 2.3 out of a T-bird that I wish I never got rid of. Truck should've stayed, and girlfriend should've went.
@subsammy
+1
Lets get the Euro Ranger/BT-50 here in the States....With the diesel engines they have over there.
Problem with a slightly smaller truck based on the larger one is that it won't give any advantage. Look at the Dakota, or Colorodo/canyon. You get nearly thr same economy and pay the same amount for it. I took my 21mpg 4 clyinder 2wd extended cab s10 even and traded it for a v8 4x4 extedned cab silverado that hits 20mpg. Until that make something like my 1988 4x4 s10 which could hit 30mpg then I'll stick with the full size.
2011 calendar year?
If this is truly on the same platform it isn't going to gain much in terms of efficiency. The current F-150 has a fully boxed frame and the entire front end is common with the Expedition/Navigator. It will still be huge, heavy, and expensive.
What the truck, they should name this an F-050.
I would love to see something in the size range of the Chevy LUV. Now that was a small pickup. Throw a tiny diesel in there and we're in bidness.
@smalleyxb122:
First generation Ranger? I don't know how old you're thinking, but my grandfather's pickup truck for as long as I've been around is a 1973 Ranger XLT, which is about the same size as my 2003 longbed Ram was, and I believe carries an F250 (size/capability) badge in addition to 'Ranger' (model) and 'XLT' (trim) badges.
@jammadave: There's "right" and there's "beside the point". I think you managed to hit both of them simultaneously. "Ranger" was a trim line for F-Series pickups from 1967 (the introduction of the 5th generation) to 1982, when the name was dropped as a trim line for the F-Series and became the name of a new, smaller model of truck. Starting in 1970, "Ranger XLT" was the slightly snazzier trim line for the F-Series. Basically the same thing happened to the name "Explorer" - which of course became the SUV that replaced the old Bronco II. Your grandfather's pickup is an F250 (model) in "Ranger XLT" trim. Sounds sweet, actually.
If you're thinking about the first generation compact ranger P/U ('84?)
That's the same platform they use today.
Ford: How did that whole "replace the Taurus name with something totally forgettable" thing go?
Everyone: Terrible.
Ford: Good, now what are some other names we can eliminate?
Ford execs must be kicking themselves now. With the way gas prices are going, selling the only true compact truck on the market just went from a huge negative to huge positive.
@theeastbaykid: "F-100" is definitely more identifiable than "Fusion", though.
I too hope for something truly small (like, Courier/LUV-esque, except modern). Give it a diesel, or maybe even a start-stop system, and we'll be in business.
That, or make a -chero out of the Focus a la the DOTS Falcon-based Ranchero.
@Lobo1625:@mojomoney: Exactly! My first truck was a rebaged courier (Mazda) with a diesel and a 5 speed. No options but dealer installed air. $5999 special Usually got high 30's to low 40's. Would not get out of it's own way. I'd take something similar now to replace my Ranger.
the 2011 Ford F-1.50
This isn't rocket science. It's a pickup. Just re-issue the 1990 Ranger with a modified 2.3 liter with up to date internals, and it would be the bomb.
Why not save a boat load of money, and make the Ranger relevant again.
The way I see it, if it's too big and heavy for the 2.5L 4cyl, then it's simply too big and heavy to be a Ranger replacement.
@creigs9: agreed!
@Mazda-Eric-with-1cup-arugula:
Looked up the old ratings for the Ranger... in the mid-late 80s, you could get a Ford Ranger that pulled 29 city, 33 highway.....
Dust off the old blueprints, work some modern computer magic to increase safety without swelling weight, and you think they'd have themselves a winner....
@Bauhaus: Hey, thanks for clearing that up - I'd honestly wondered why the "Ranger" showed up later as this little tiny truck. My Pop's *was* sweet - he was a pro drag racer and his truck followed suit, huge rubber in the back and skinny up front, Cragars all round, Kilroy peeking over a bug shield on the hood... *was* sweet, that is, until the last few years when it just sat to rust and break down all over, thanks to his advancing age.
ANYways, I may have been beside the point, but I assure you it was genuine curiosity; I was not trying to give anybody a hard time.
On-topic for good measure: Ford trucks these days *are* nice, but lack any "feeling" in their styling; it's why I picked the Ram a few years ago instead. If they make a smaller truck, I'll hope it's something stepside and aggressive like the Lightnings were.
I remember driving a Ford Ranger in the mid 80's and we also had some Escorts for company use. The Escorts fell apart in short order but the Rangers were tough as nails and we drove them really hard (as in aggressive, not our vehicle type driving). The F150 is a big, full size truck, and it's not a bad idea to make a smaller version for the person who doesn't buy sheetrock in 4x8 sheets. With the price of gas I think a lot of people would buy it. Not contractor sized, but for most things you can fit in a smaller bed.
I learned how to drive a manual in a 1986 ranger. Crappy freaking clutches.
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