40K gallons sounds like very, very little. Like not even enough to keep a single e-85 station supplied for a year.

I'm still waiting for ethanol to be produced using grass clippings and corn cobs, for $2 a gallon at the pump. When that comes, I'll convert my '68 Caddy to run on it.

Until then, I'm not impressed.

The link is taking forever to open, but I assume this is still subsidized, right? Or have they found a way to produce ethanol that's efficient enough to actually be able to burn ethanol in order to manufacture it?

Know promlem, I SHIT roses

@beercheck: Thank DUDE 10 down, And it all was good

$1.00/gal doesn't help as much as I would hope - mine isn't a flexfuel ride, and typically mileage drops by 40% or more on alcohol.

I could retrofit my truck, but that would take a fair amount of work, and I'd have to do all that work again to run it on gas again.

Electronic fuel injection must be pretty nice.

And, with this offer, for absolutely free, you get worldwide food riots!

@muleshoe: Man, you are making me so jealous! But two more hours and I'll be right there with ya.

That's strange, I just came back from the grocery store and bought a $317 can of corn, $117 bag of rice and $1000 box of ziti.

i read a press release. they do not want to control the product. they want to sell the rights to someone with big infrastructure and capital(big oil maybe) to get to market quick with some real inventory. they want to focus on product development. they say there is a lot of power to be tapped as they get better at making it. they also hope as the use scales out, cost to make will drop much more. i'm pumped.

Did you guys not notice the cellulosic ethanol part?

An interesting article in the NYT, circa 1994:

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@beercheck: Is subsidized for shure, Brazil produces the cheapest alcohol on earth and still is more than a dollar per gallon

@Ben Wojdyla: Yep. Which is good from the food supply angle. But I'm still skeptical regarding the efficiency angle and the can't-use-pipelines-only-trucks angle.

Are you missing the part about it being cellulosic? That is the "corn cobs and grass clippings" kind of ethanol.

So unless that part of the post is misquoted, this shouldn't affect food staples at all. It should even bring prices down a bit, as it opens up a market for the waste.

Ethanol may not be (isn't) the savior, but it does add an option for energy.

@BЯдΖǐL-ЯЄРΘЯΤЄЯ: I call bullshit on that Brazillian propaganda!

@beercheck:Thaks Dude, Brotherly Love is Brotherly Love

@Ben Wojdyla: You beat me to it.

I'm still holding out for cellulitic biodiesel, made from the leftover drippings of the lipo clinic.

@smalleyxb122: good point sir good point

This is being done at the Westinghouse Plasma Corp.'s site, and there's yet another ethanol plant planned for the former Volkswagen factory site in New Stanton, part of which Sony leases for TV assembly.

Looks like Greater Pittsburgh is shaping up to be the epicenter of the ethanol bubble, but hey, these are truly golden times for people who enjoy burning the world's food supply in their SUVs.

@AshMeAboutMyCar: I'm pretty sure Party Lite has that market cornered.

@beercheck:That is what happens when you are a retired Old Geezer kike me thqt don't know Shit.

@muleshoe: So, what was the beverage of choice? Anything I should start with?

The cost for them to produce a gallon of fuel is $1 a gallon? So by the time it gets into your tank, it'll still be closer to $3 a gallon.

The real solution we need here is to deregulate the oil industry so they can actually produce more oil. Let them drill, let them build more refineries. At this time in our economy, the last thing we need is expensive fuel driving astronomical inflation rates.

If they could improve this process so that you could use cellulose-rich paper products to produce ethanol, you could start mining old landfills for paper. The hippie-types used to complain that landfills kept their contents intact for years, so let's mine them for fuel!

Or, maybe they could sell a kit version, so you could turn your junk mail and used printer paper into a gallon of fuel every couple months, or something equally stupid like that.

Let's see now, CNN, an agenda driven, 3rd rate cable network and GM, the world's most incompetent auto manufacturer, want to sell us on Coskata's new gas product. I think I'd rather buy religion from the Right Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

As long as the price of rice and beans doesn't increase anymore, I'll be happy. On another note, I've read about this method before where they use grass clippings. We need to just be able to use our waste products for this, shifting around things isn't gonna make any sort of difference. Gas can be $1.00 a gallon but if a loaf of bread is $10.00 why bother?

Elhigh,
You don't get 40% less fuel econ with alcohol. The E85 available now gives you about 25-30% less fuel economy. E85's stoic burn is 10:1 and gas is a well known 14.7:1. There's your loss in FE. (simply put...)
The saddest fact is that E85 has a much higher octane number (100-105) where gas tops out at 93 (at the pumps) Not one US manufacturer tunes their cars to perform better on E85. That's a shame!

april fools?

Could Make Fuel For $1 Per Gallon
Capitalism demands mark-up.

$1.00 p/g gas, but at what price... starvation around the world?
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@adamaoc: if you'll read the article and some of them posts up there, you'll notice this is a cellulosic ethanol plant... as in, ethanol made from non-edible parts of plants, as well as garbage...

North America will remain a third world country in terms of energy sources :[

Creation of renewable energy has never been the problem, it's the distribution.

And if you can't get the green light to build small refineries in every city, the time to market will definitely become decades.

Seriously, it might be time to just embrace nuclear powerplants and some sort of quick-charging electric cars. Actually, I suppose they already have the technology for the quick charging electric cars, it's just insanely ridiculously expensive to manufacture the batteries that can charge in a matter of 3-4 minutes.

But those 2 things combined would pretty erase the problem of $5 a gallon gas. It does increase the risk of another Chernobyl though.